15 comments

  • kibwen 2010 days ago
    > Given the decay of time and the risk of turning it on, the team is using custom-built LED triangles that sit atop each hand-blown glass prism to light it up.

    I think they've inadvertently created an interesting new dimension to the artwork here. Software developers especially should be able to appreciate the feeling of being unable to properly reengineer a flawed system due to expense or expedience, and just slapping another layer on top instead. Sort of like a celebration of path dependence. I'd like to see more examples of long-form artworks that gradually evolve through different artists and eras.

    • sandworm101 2010 days ago
      >> I'd like to see more examples of long-form artworks that gradually evolve through different artists and eras.

      Much of this is actually illegal in many counties. Re-working a sculpture is seen as trampeling on the artists rights, specifically "moral rights" which cannot be contracted away. The classic example case of this is Snow v. Eaton Center.

      "In Snow, a 1982 case at the Ontario High Court of Justice, the defendant had purchased a sculpture of 60 geese that they placed inside their shopping centre. During their Christmas celebration the defendant tried to attach ribbons to the necks of the geese. The plaintiff alleged that the addition of the ribbons modified his work in a manner prejudicial to his honour or reputation."

      • xxpor 2010 days ago
        The US generally does not recognize moral rights. In this case though VARA might apply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Artists_Rights_Act

        The artist has the:

        * right to prevent the use of one's name on any work the author did not create

        * right to prevent use of one's name on any work that has been distorted, mutilated, or modified in a way that would be prejudicial to the author's honor or reputation

        * right to prevent distortion, mutilation, or modification that would prejudice the author's honor or reputation

        In this case, since they're keeping close to the original vision I doubt there's a VARA claim.

        Today, most places that would commission a piece like this would make artists sign a VARA waiver.

        Edit: also, I'm not a lawyer. I just play one on the internet.

      • LeifCarrotson 2010 days ago
        Litigating this seems like a pretty quick way to kill future sales of your artwork...
        • sandworm101 2010 days ago
          You can't. Artists cannot divest themselves of future moral rights via contract. If you want to change a work, you have to go back to the artist each and every time. If artists could simply lift them, moral rights would be just another thing waived in every sale. But moral rights are not copyrights. They cannot be used to prevent future sales (ie first sale doctrine).
          • gamblor956 2010 days ago
            That's true in the EU, which is why commissioned public sculptures and other forms of visual art have become a rarity of late in the EU.
          • PhasmaFelis 2010 days ago
            Artists absolutely can choose whether or not to sue their customers for putting a wreath on a goose sculpture.
          • nulbyte 2010 days ago
            In the US, artists can waive their rights under VARA; see 17 USC 106A(e): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106A.
        • acomjean 2010 days ago
          apparently art is like software.. You have a license to enjoy it?

          Any private land owners is going to think twice about art on their property after 5-points in NYC and the artist that stuck a small girl to stand down the wall street bull which lawsuits.

          http://gothamist.com/2018/09/26/5_pointz_judgment_appeal.php

          http://gothamist.com/2017/04/12/fearless_girl_charging_bull....

          • barry-cotter 2010 days ago
            The Bull, guerilla street art, the girl, corporate advertising.

            https://hyperallergic.com/364474/the-sculpture-of-a-fearless...

            > here is the truth about “Fearless Girl”: It features a branded plaque at its base. The companies that installed it had a permit. They are advertising firm McCann New York

          • xxpor 2010 days ago
            No, anyone who does anything like 5 pointz will be smart enough to get a VARA waiver.
      • daodedickinson 2010 days ago
        lol I would rule that the other way SO hard. Outrageous.
  • Luc 2010 days ago
    Pictures of the original electronics: http://eecue.com/a/1421/TriforiumControlCenter.html
    • 8_hours_ago 2010 days ago
      Wow! Seeing those pictures makes it obvious why they decided to add new electronics and lights instead of reusing the existing ones. Even with documentation that looks like it would be a real pain to interface with.
    • sizzle 2009 days ago
      How many raspberry pi's would it approximately take to replace all these older electronics? I've seen an impressive LED matrix controlled by one raspberry pi, strobed to music and displayed low resolution images and videos. Thoughts?
      • simias 2009 days ago
        A rpi + the driving circuits for the diodes would do the trick just fine. Actually a rpi might arguably be overpowered for such a task. This monument was inaugurated 6 years after Apollo 11, it's basically prehistorical as far as electronics are concerned.
    • Tistel 2009 days ago
      Oh, so sad. Its looks like so much work went into the piece's computer. I wonder if anyone has done a blender (or whatever) animation of what the goal was. I would love to see it. Why on earth would they cement the wire in? bizarre. Put in a hollow tube so you can pull new wires in. That can't be a new idea. Still, great story.
  • krrrh 2010 days ago
    It may also be of interest to HN that Jona Bechtolt & Claire Evans who are leading this project are the core members of the band Yacht. Claire recently published Broad Band [1] to acclaim, which explores the history of women involved in the early years of the internet. She also edits Vice’s science fiction site. Both are very cool people who continuously crank out interesting projects.

    [1] https://clairelevans.com

  • gregable 2010 days ago
    > Back in the 1970s, a computer used 8-bit tape, in binary code—picture a roll of paper tape with holes cut into it.

    This seems like quite an ambitious project for 1975!

  • duxup 2010 days ago
    >Its primitive, custom-designed computer couldn’t execute Young’s intentions; the sound came out wrong, and the lights rarely synced as they should have.

    I'm a bit surprised by this. Most professional artists I know put a huge amount of effort into working with / experimenting with the medium they're working in get the results they want. I don't know any (i'm sure there are some) who do one off experiments, they're usually pretty experienced with the materials / medium they work with.

    • soperj 2010 days ago
      It was built in 1975. How would they have a huge amount of experience in the medium?
      • damon_c 2010 days ago
        Yes and it was much more difficult to write mocks and unit tests back then!
        • addicted 2009 days ago
          And imagine completing a project without being able to include npm packages such as leftpad. Unthinkable.
      • duxup 2010 days ago
        Generally the artists I'm thinking of are experimenting with the medium on their own before using it on a finished project.
        • nervousvarun 2010 days ago
          1975-ish was the very beginning of PCs and was therefore difficult to even have access to a computer.

          Outside of specific corporate/academic/military facilities they basically would have been unable to "experiment" at all.

          It's pretty remarkable they came up with anything that functioned at all considering the barriers to entry of the time.

  • mmjaa 2010 days ago
    Awesome! I have walked past it a few times and wondered how it was ever supposed to have worked, so its going to be wonderful to see it in action one day ..
  • kens 2010 days ago
    Anyone know what computer the Triforium used originally? I searched around but couldn't find details.
  • daodedickinson 2010 days ago
    Walt Disney Concert Hall is more derided. Maybe that would be "architecture", which counts as "public art" for me, but perhaps not thee. Some would also name Ramón C. Cortines School of Visual and Performing Arts, but I like that one.
  • rossdavidh 2010 days ago
    "Hey, there's this new piece of technology, I think it will enable great things! Let's start off with a really big budget, very public project, first thing!" Ouch. Not that the software developer community has any room to talk.
  • Angostura 2010 days ago
    Sadly the artist died in 2007.
  • rconti 2010 days ago
    What's the risk of turning it on? A short, inside of .. the concrete?
    • accrual 2010 days ago
      I wonder if the estimated multimillion restoration cost includes rewiring the structure. Perhaps the existing wiring just isn't suitable for use at all.
    • setr 2010 days ago
      probably the biggest risk is it simply failing

      which would make the whole restoration thing completely pointless, and subject to even more mockery

  • Tistel 2009 days ago
    Its amazing that this was just 43 years ago. Thats nothing in the grande scheme of things.
  • nsxwolf 2010 days ago
    Oh, people don't like that? I always thought it was neat.
  • drcode 2010 days ago
    Hmm... surely, the Hollywood sign would win any contest of "L.A.'s most derided piece of public art"?
    • psetq 2010 days ago
      How so? I'd consider the Hollywood sign to be an iconic American landmark and haven't really heard much to the contrary.
      • williamdclt 2010 days ago
        A lot of people do consider it an iconic American landmark, but don't necessarily see it as a good thing.

        In this particular case, for me the first things Hollywood sign evokes are "megalomania", "shitty blockbusters", "overinflated ego". I'm super biased (I don't even really know Hollywood history) and it doesn't necessarily make it the "most derided piece of art", but it wouldn't surprise me

        • daveFNbuck 2010 days ago
          It seems your criticism is about Hollywood's film industry rather than the sign as a piece of public art.
    • gamblor956 2010 days ago
      It wouldn't even be in the top thousand for public art in LA, especially since it wasn't intended to be "public" or "art" when it was unveiled. (It was originally intended to be temporary signage for a housing development called "Hollywoodland" that failed. Some decades later, the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce paid to restore part of the sign. A few decades after that, it was restored again and has been more or less maintained to that level ever since.)

      Top contender usually goes to the light sculptures at the entrance to LAX, or else to the frescoes adorning the sidewalls of the 110 and 10 freeways.

    • simias 2010 days ago
      >to deride: to speak of or treat with contempt, mockery, or ridicule; scoff or jeer at

      Is the Hollywood sign really the target of that much mockery? Caricature surely but that's not the same thing.

      • mortenjorck 2010 days ago
        The Hollywood sign wasn’t always considered an icon. For many years between its initial construction in the 1920s and its restoration in the 1970s, it was poorly maintained and considered an eyesore: https://theconversation.com/the-history-of-the-hollywood-sig...
      • duskwuff 2010 days ago
        It's easily the best-known piece of public art in the city, so there's naturally going to be more mockery of it than other, lesser-known pieces.
  • standerman 2010 days ago
    atlasobscura.com seems to show up an awful lot on HN, and I rarely find the links to be technically relevant or useful, but always full of ads. It would be nice to be able to filter them out
    • echelon 2010 days ago
      As a counter point, I love articles posted from Atlas Obscura and enjoy reading them when they pop up on HN.

      Not everyone is the same, and I appreciate your point of view as well.

    • onion2k 2010 days ago
      I rarely find the links to be technically relevant or useful

      Reading articles like this one gives you things to talk about, which makes you someone people are more keen to engage with. That will give you an edge in a lot of interactions but particularly in sales. If you can't sell then your startup will fail. That's why they're relevant.

      You need to be able to talk to other people about what they are interested in. That requires broadening your interests. A few articles about things you wouldn't typically read can be very useful.

    • Washuu 2010 days ago
      Atlas Obscura is another site I ignore since it requires Javascript for images to load.
      • tracker1 2010 days ago
        install uBlock Origin, seems to work for me with JS enabled, though does seem to have a fullscreen nag, and a scroll nag...

        The WORST imho are the sites that ask for notification permission, to which my initial reaction is FUCK YOU... there's no call for that without a user initiated action.