Best and Worst Cities for Nursing Homes in the US

(priceonomics.com)

57 points | by vinnyglennon 1985 days ago

8 comments

  • sfRattan 1983 days ago
    Two terms not mentioned in the article are elder and guardianship abuse. The prevalence of these factors can and should be huge in determining both where to retire and, if it comes to it, a nursing home for one's own parents.

    Specifically abuses of elder guardianship, in which scummy lawyers work closely with nursing homes and local magistrates to usurp guardianship of elders from next-of-kin and then collectively drain the bank accounts of their elderly wards for 'services' rendered. Which sounds like a dystopian, Kafkaesque nightmare, but happens in a number of states.[1][2][3]

    [1]: https://kbzk.com/cnn-regional/2018/11/05/four-plead-guilty-i...

    [2]: https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/ozarks-lawyer-testifies-in-...

    [3]: http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180831/elder-abuse-i...

  • raincom 1983 days ago
    I knew some nurses who worked in nursing homes. If you want a good nursing home, try to get the insider info on how many nurses work per shit, how many patients are there, and how many of these patients need nurses hourly for taking readings, giving pills, etc.

    Nurses are overworked in these places, and the owners of nursing homes make money only by hiring not enough nurses. I know of a nurse, who used to not take readings, but filled them out based on yesterday readings. This, because she had so much work to do on her own.

    • jjcm 1983 days ago
      While it is a typo, it's probably still an accurate metric.
    • lunchables 1983 days ago
      Staffing levels are used to calculate the star rating of a nursing home. States have required staffing ratios, for both nurses and CNA.

      What I recommend is to look up the facility star rating and the last couple yearly AHCA survey results for the nursing home. You can also check to see if they have had any complaint surveys recently and what the outcomes of those were.

      >Nurses are overworked in these places, and the owners of nursing homes make money only by hiring not enough nurses.

      As above, there are staffing level requirements.

      >I know of a nurse, who used to not take readings, but filled them out based on yesterday readings. This, because she had so much work to do on her own.

      She could lose her license for this, and blaming someone else won't save it. Nurses are in incredibly high demand and she should go work somewhere else. Let me know if she needs a job and what state she's located in (and what license? RN, LPN?). We hire hundreds of nurses per year.

      • raincom 1983 days ago
        She is a RN in California , she learned it from another RN who worked with her. This was from 4 years ago. Since she could not find a job at hospitals, she took this job. Nurses don't like working at nursing homes: pay sucks; work is hard.

        She told me to not tell anyone about this, as she will lose her license--names and exact locations withheld. Anyway, she found a better job at a prison, with better pay, benefits, etc.

        • pc86 1983 days ago
          The fact that another RN taught her how to commit a terrible crime against the people entrusted to her care doesn't change the fact that that's what it is.

          Hopefully she takes better care of the prisoners.

  • WhompingWindows 1983 days ago
    This is not great data science. I appreciate their ranked lists and bar graphs but you see the limitations of their very basic approach when you see ND, SD, and WY are high up on the best state rankings. It's easy to infer this is because those are very small states, they have a much smaller sample size than NY or CA. And yet they present data in ranked lists or bar graphs, neither of which convey the sample size of these vastly different states and cities to the audience.
  • robertsd247 1983 days ago
    I will never go to a nursing home. I'd rather die. I have seen the inside of those places and I can assure everyone, regardless of how nice they look and whatever amenities it has, it is a horrible place to spend the last years of your life. My Dad died at home and that's the way you do it.
    • pc86 1983 days ago
      As with most things, the topic is nuanced and making blanket statements without hard data as support is useless. There are no hard and fast rules and no "way you do it" when it comes to this.
  • ahi 1983 days ago
    This dataset from CMS is probably better: https://www.medicare.gov/nursinghomecompare

    I would be skeptical of family reviews as a reliable indicator. Nursing homes are almost always miserable places.

  • cr4ig_ 1983 days ago
    I think affluence of the local population and job competition also affect the rankings. The places with the worst-rated homes generally have larger populations of less affluent (i.e. on Medicaid or will be soon) patients, and there are also a lot of other job options for people aside from working in that sort of a facility (not the most pleasant job to be sure). The ones with the best rankings seem to be in areas where there is a more affluent population (nursing care ain't cheap) and/or jobs in a nursing care facility are more attractive compared to other local options (resulting in a higher quality workforce). A rough correlation, YMMV.

    But that last bit about lack of other attractive job options contributing to a higher quality workforce was something that I was told by someone looking for nursing/assisted living care options, and in my experience (aging parents and aging parents of friends) it is actually true. I can also confirm from personal experience that New Mexico has absolutely horrible nursing/elder care.

    Lastly, re: I think I'd rather kill myself than ever go live in a nursing home? You and me both. I've seen enough that I'd rather take myself out at a time/place of my choosing rather than go into nursing care. I don't think most people give it a thought though, much less have seen it firsthand.

  • dr_ 1983 days ago
    Sometimes patients don’t have an option but to go to such a facility, at least on a short term basis. Hospitals try to discharge patients as quickly as possible, which often results in patients leaving when they may be medically stable, but are functionally compromised or are in need of services, such as iv antibiotics or wound care, that may be difficult to provide at home. If they live alone, it’s even more challenging. So the nursing facility becomes the only option. Facilities traditionally have had an easy access to a constant supply of patients, along with high reimbursement. They’ve have had little incentive to improve.

    Fortunately care bundles (BPCI) are starting to change this, giving hospitals a vested interest in where their patients go and what the outcome is. Facilities are going to have to improve the level of care and service they provide - or risk shutting down.

  • asianthrowaway 1983 days ago
    I think I'd rather kill myself than ever go live in a nursing home. I suppose the only way I'd accept is if I had late stage dementia and didn't realize where I was.
    • WhompingWindows 1983 days ago
      Would you feel differently if you fell and broke your hip, unable to walk or do a dozen other activities of daily living, thus needed nurses to monitor you 24/7? The thinking and math on this changes a lot when complex medical situations come into play.
      • asianthrowaway 1983 days ago
        If I needed 24/7 monitoring that's when I'd kill myself.
    • bluGill 1983 days ago
      Depends on the nursing home. I've seen that looked okay and some that stunk of pee. I'd rather live at home on my own, but if I can do something (other than lay in bed) with my time I want to live. There are plenty of interesting things I can do sitting at a computer all day.