There was a construction company working on the main road in town (Illinois). The last state shutdown had them stop working... even though the road was 100% federally funded AND they were paid upfront for 3 months of work.
I suspect this was done to raise light to the situation (or they wanted time off). Similarly, I suspect running this website is mostly automated and likely being shut down to raise awareness
I work at 18F and can assure you that if data.gov was brought down, there is a good reason. I don't know the specifics for their team, but there are many factors that would warrant bringing down a site. For example: monthly billing, contract renewals, legal, security and compliance requirements, etc. This is not a side project that you can step away from and assume everything is okay because it's "on the cloud." It doesn't take much imagination to think of why: Let's say the site gets hacked, who would restore it? Would it remain hacked for weeks? months? How about contracts? Do we expect legal dept to just ignore expired contracts?
It doesn't work that way.
The thing about government is that there isn't much wiggle room to improvise on those kinds of issues. You are either following the law or you are not.
Fortunately, the product I lead has not yet been affected, but the possibility of having to bring down sites looms.
Maybe they need some stuff approved...surely they could take advantage of the shutdown if the contract allows it but usually government contracts, (especially the construction projects)need all kind of permissions/approvals.
You'd think TSA would be able to pay their employees at $5.60 per head through their lines. They state that they raked in $4B in 2018 in 911 Security Fees. I'm sure there's entanglement between government departments (payroll elsewhere?) that complicates this, but they do state the fees are paid to TSA, and perhaps not the Treasury.
Has anyone bought an airline ticket since the shutdown? Perhaps they're not charging the fee, since they are unable to provide security or its theatre during this time.
Also note that Data.gov was participating in a Bug Bounty program through HackerOne which means it was actively encouraging people to find vulnerabilities but is no longer able to respond to them - https://hackerone.com/tts
Here's the official statement:
“As data.gov is not a static site, it requires staff monitoring and maintenance to be online,” a GSA spokesperson told FedScoop in a statement. “Because personnel that monitor and maintain the site are currently furloughed, data.gov redirects to usa.gov. The decision to take data.gov offline is consistent with previous funding lapse practices.”
What is the preferable method against copy-pasting the commands? "Fat-finger" errors aren't a myth in my experience. The only problem here I'm seeing is MSWord due to its auto-formatting on certain things [e.g. quotation marks].
Write a proper Bash (or other scripting language of one's choice) script to perform the deployment start to finish, with proper checking of results from each step .
I.e., the deployment equivalent to:
The copy-paste method from MSWord doc prevents fat finger typo errors, but does nothing for an ops. person skipping step 18 of 34 because step 17 took 47 minutes to complete and they forgot exactly where they were in the word doc in the interim.
 This, of course requires the individual steps be created such that they can be monitored and output captured by the Bash (or other script language) to determine 'next steps' at each stage. Sadly, several of the steps in the word doc amount to "run this command" - note the output number from the command, give that value to the command in step 35 (where step 35 is some number of additional steps ahead in the word doc).
My guess is like other people are saying, awareness, and having a short expire time on certificates should also make it less usable if someone gets access to the certificate by them having less time to use it. Same reason why passwords should be rotated often.
> Today I learned that the government needs to start operating a bit more like a corporation in the sense of removing paper pushers.
Not to stir the political pot, but this is one of the reasons my father says he voted Trump - an "outsider from corporate lands" would cut the fat of government and start running it like a company. The government is slow because OF the paper pushers, and the often used cliche "you have to really do a bad job to get fired as a government worker".
All that does is give you an invalid certificate warning when you go to the site. How does that warrant shutting it down. If you can't see that this is 100% politically motivated. Well... there is one born every minute...a <blank> and his money are soon parted....
Kind of pisses me off that the energy star site is offline too. Was shopping for some new windows (all the efficiencies are posted there for certified vendors and models) and every link there lands on a "sorry we're closed during the shutdown" message.
> The Hatch Act of 1939, officially An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials, from engaging in some forms of political activity. It went into law on August 2, 1939. The law was named for Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico. It was most recently amended in 2012.
Where do you see anything about shutdowns? Are you sure you have the right act? Do I have the wrong act?
I do not know why people think this is some "conspiracy" or "politically" motivated. One my customers is also .gov.
So the invoice from 1st of Jan 2019 was not paid. Should I cancel their service? And nobody even answers on our emails (saying gov shutdown bla bla).
The shutdown is politically motivated. The fact that certain government operations do not work is the result of the shutdown.
Oh, it's absolutely politically motivated. But so is everything else on HN. Is open source good? Should venture capitalism be a viable career? How should startups be funded? Is technology making the world a better place? Is China trying to hack us all (and who is "us")? How much should programmers be paid, and how do you even formulate the answer to such a question? Is it bad for cell phone companies to sell customer location data? What about net neutrality? Does it matter whether SpaceX is more successful than NASA?
So much of this shutdown fight is just ego. We've now lost more money due to the shutdown than would have been saved by depriving Trump his wall. Just give him the money and be done with it. Regardless of its effectiveness just pitch it as a federal jobs program... Just. End. It.
First, we haven't. We have hit the point where the amount in the current budget request exceeds the economic damage. The estimated total cost of the wall would be somewhere between $15 billion and $70 billion, depending on who you ask.
Second, it still doesn't matter. Giving in to Trump on this matter would only show him that he can expand his racist policies again and again by threatening to shut down the government again. "Once you have paid him the Dane-geld you never get rid of the Dane."
Context is important. For the Republican party, that means decades of using "border security" as a dog whistle for keeping out Mexican immigrants.
For Trump in particular, that means his speeches as candidate, "They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." He is a fearmongerer, and this is just another step of playing along fears of immigrants.