The Czech Cyber Billionaire Who Founded Avast

(forbes.com)

62 points | by wyndham 1674 days ago

13 comments

  • xan92 1673 days ago
    Around 2003/04 was installing Avast/AVG on my friends desktops/PCs was a wonderful freeware. I started working as a system administrator around 2007 when I did the same on a few office machines, I had noticed how they became rogue, By infecting healthy machines with malware and prompting to buy paid version for removal, I am not sure if anyone remembers this thing with Avast ?
    • tluyben2 1673 days ago
      They did not infect machines; they just popped up that it found all kinds of things that were not there at all and you should upgrade to fix the issue. That is also a rancid tactic but I think Norton (or Mcafee?) also did it (it has been a long time but I remember either or both of them trying to panic users into buying like that). After upgrading, it would scan and nothing would be found; or at least not what it said before upgrading.
    • bitL 1673 days ago
      Never understood how they survived that. Now they seem to be dominating their country's tech landscape. Market ended up rewarding sociopathic behavior. Pretty terrible.
    • theklub 1673 days ago
      I remember something similar but it wasn't infecting them it was just giving false positives and constantly popping up to upgrade. I can't remember which software it was, it may have been avast.
      • rasz 1673 days ago
        ZoneAlarm popup ~2004: "IP x.x.x.x is trying to HAXOR you!!1"
    • w8rbt 1673 days ago
      I have never heard this. Can you provide a link with more details?
      • xan92 1673 days ago
        This was my personal and honest experience with Avast. They were the first scareware pioneers, If you have used them as I did you would have noticed.
        • w8rbt 1673 days ago
          I did use it then and I never experienced that. I bet it was some unrelated coincidence. They would not do that.
          • fgonzag 1673 days ago
            Narrator: They did.
        • techntoke 1673 days ago
          What malware are you referring to? I never had this issue as well. I'm not saying you shouldn't question them, but the only thing I didn't like was they forced advertisements to use the free version. They were still orders of magnitude better than other AV providers, especially what they were selling at Best Buy.
        • sneakernets 1673 days ago
          Infecting machines with malware intentionally? They did this and are still allowed to sell product?
          • b212 1673 days ago
            This is BS. They never did that.
  • assclown99 1673 days ago
    I worked at an ad network company for years (we basically put crappy add-ons on poeple's machines that generate search revenue). All of these AV companies basically extort money from crapware companies. if you pay them, you can get unblocked.
    • ChuckNorris89 1673 days ago
      Sounds fascinating. Please tell us more.
  • NelsonMinar 1673 days ago
    At this point Avast is way worse than the malware it claims to protect you from. I've been running Windows for years now with just Microsoft's built-in malware protection and it's fine.
  • fancyfish 1673 days ago
    Friendly reminder that free editions of Avast collect and sell[1] user clickstream data to one of Avast's companies, Jumpshot[2][3]. This "panel" includes 100m "online shoppers" and 20m app users, in total registering 5 billion clicks every day.

    [1] https://martechtoday.com/jumpshot-makes-public-some-amazon-p...

    [2] https://www.jumpshot.com/

    [3] https://press.avast.com/avast-software-acquires-jumpshot-to-...

  • thomasdd 1673 days ago
    Maybe just my point-of-view. But Czech-Slovak companies have strong influence in antivirus software. With avast.com / avg.com / eset.com

    ...or does every country in world have their own AV software (local)giants? I'am curious...

    • ackbar03 1673 days ago
      I feel like the old soviet countries including russia now are all quite strong in the cybersecurity space. I've heard its because of a combination of their strong math/science education and poverty? I've always found it quite intrigueing
      • ChuckNorris89 1673 days ago
        I grew up in Eastern Europe and moved to Western Europe in my early 20s and the difference is that in the East, STEM was very popular for kids in high school and university as it offered access to engineering careers which were the most lucrative considering how poor the economy was in the 90s, helping kids of lower class background move upwards(just like in the US) and it would also open doors later in life to emigrate to the West.

        Now in Western Europe, due to socialism and high standard of living, kids aren't that poor and tech salaries are not that much higher than any other desk job so they have no interest to study STEM as it's seen as stressful career path for boring lonely nerds and instead prefer to focus on social sciences, being wantrepreneurs or Instagram influencers.

        • rokalakt 1673 days ago
          Not sure, what western european countries pays as much for a tech job as for any other desk job? Also i dont think it has something to do with skills, more like with criminals creating virii and thus developing and understanding of how security works.
          • goatinaboat 1673 days ago
            Outside the SV bubble law, accounting, banking, medicine, general management etc all pay higher than programming, with less stress, more job security and higher prestige (if that matters to you).
            • rokalakt 1673 days ago
              Not really. Devs in the uk earn far more than most of these jobs you mentioned. Perhaps you are working with the wrong company.
              • philjohn 1673 days ago
                There is quite a large difference between tech salaries depending on nationality of the company, their approach to tech and location in the UK.

                A Principal Software Engineer in the South East can make six figures easily, the same in the midlands will be much less, and that's only 90 miles apart.

                • notfromhere 1673 days ago
                  That's a huge wage differential for a country the size of Michigan
                  • philjohn 1669 days ago
                    Yes ... but remember as well we don't have the "commute many miles" mentality, you tend to work fairly local to where you live.

                    I might be an outlier, I live 55 miles away from work (1h15m commute each way) so that I can have a higher salary, but much bigger house, better transport links, good schools for the kids etc.

          • danielpetrica 1670 days ago
            Here in Italy that's very common during your first years, especially if you're not living in a big city like Milan.
      • dejv 1673 days ago
        As another Czech person and former PM of another security product I guess there are two main factors in play:

        1. Tech factor: amount of HW and SW what could be exported into Eastern bloc was very limited so people who worked with computers were all very confortable with low level work as getting anything else than bare computer was almost impossible.

        2. Business factor: there was close to 0 money available in Easter bloc (= 40 years of comunism destroyed all personal equity as all property from previous generation was confiscated and your earning potential was very limited) so when you started software company you needed sales channel that didn't require much hand holding. Antiviruses are great because you could use listings on download sites and the product is culture agnostic.

        In US your best bet in 90s was to create consumer or enterprise SW company. But imagine being in Czech republic: you don't understand the US culture to get into home of people and you don't have access to capital and institutional knowledge to build enterprise SW (no way you was going to afford opening US office on money availale in this region). But hey, no problem writing AV software, then upload it to download.com and then collect payments.

        Also those AV companies took so long to take off: Avast was created in late 80s and it took them around 15 years to get any traction. Being in region with more opportunities you probably give up and try something else.

      • techntoke 1673 days ago
        It could be also that a lot of white-collar and intellectual cybercriminals are located in those countries.
    • ChuckNorris89 1673 days ago
      Microsoft's own inbuilt Windows Defender is Romania's former RAV Antivirus which they bought in 2003.[1]

      [1]https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/yongrhee/2019/02/21/wind...

      • goatinaboat 1673 days ago
        No, it’s a completely different codebase now.
      • rokalakt 1673 days ago
        No wonder windows defender is such low quality.
    • bitL 1673 days ago
      I think a few AV companies whose products I utilized in the past were from Romania as well (BitDefender?).
    • rasz 1673 days ago
      Eastern Europe ran on pirated software thru the nineties. You need good antivirus when running random software copy obtained at the farmers' market from under the blanket.
    • reportgunner 1673 days ago
      Great question! I'm a local and I don't know either..
    • maxerickson 1673 days ago
      The US has Microsoft.
      • dchest 1673 days ago
        Who bought Romanian antivirus company.
  • slartibardfast0 1673 days ago
    wish AV vendors would stop MiTM attacks on HTTPs
    • c16 1673 days ago
      This. I lost a lot of respect when Firefox complained that something was wrong, and it turned out to be Avast doing a man in the middle attack to 'protect' me on https websites.
      • techntoke 1673 days ago
        You really have to be careful what you check to install or enable when using antivirus software. I think Windows 10 does a pretty good job without any extra software, but there are people that still torrent movies and open EXE files from whatever website they access. Sometimes teenagers or older people. Who knows what they are putting on their computer, and I imagine a lot of it is able to bypass standard AV products.
      • philjohn 1673 days ago
        That's why if you want to install Avast you deselect everything except for the file shield and behaviour shield.
  • tardo99 1673 days ago
    Antivirus software is basically a scam.
    • paulpauper 1673 days ago
      ironically it injects crap into your computer so that you cannot uninstall it fully, to prevent people from renewing the free trial.
      • raverbashing 1673 days ago
        Though the "hard to uninstall" part is exactly so that malware can't uninstall it easily.
    • indigodaddy 1673 days ago
      Yeah, on Mac/Windows, I just install the free version of Malwarebytes and do a full scan occasionally...
  • ticmasta 1673 days ago
    Back in the day when 3rd party antivirus on windows was a must, these guys were the best price-performance trade-off. Then windows added defender as a standard that was as good, with the added benefit of a shared best interest of making windows run well; at the same time avast et al. moved to scummy practices and FUD. Good riddance.
  • a_c 1673 days ago
    AV is almost a cargo cult nowadays. Born for windows, now as a de facto must have for corporate IT. Everyone use it. Either no IT bothers to question why is it needed, or management hold beliefs from the 90s that AV is useful
  • yyyk 1673 days ago
    There isn't a big difference between most AV and malware nowadays.

    Both hog all your system resources, both send info about you to HQ, both spread often piggybacking on other software, both are hard-to-impossible to remove.

  • viburnum 1673 days ago
    I had forgotten how bad it was back then, and why it was such a relief to leave windows for Linux and mac.
  • mac_was 1673 days ago
    'Baza wirusow zostala zaktualizowana' - in every Polish home 10 years ago.
  • aaa189156189 1670 days ago