Mouse found atop a 22,000-foot volcano, breaking world record

(nationalgeographic.com)

190 points | by greenyoda 1307 days ago

19 comments

  • sradman 1307 days ago
    From the paper Discovery of the world’s highest-dwelling mammal [1]

    > Upper altitudinal limits of wild mammals in the Himalayas and Andes are generally thought to fall in the range 5200-5800 m above sea level. Such limits are surely dictated by food availability in addition to physiological capacities for tolerating hypoxia and extreme cold.

    Which explains the significance of:

    > we captured a specimen of the yellow-rumped leaf-eared mouse (Phyllotis xanthopygus rupestris) on the very summit of Llullaillaco at 6739 m

    [1] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.13.989822v1

  • lnyng 1307 days ago
    No joke my first thought reading the title was that some researcher left his laptop equipment over there.
    • amelius 1307 days ago
    • CydeWeys 1307 days ago
      I correctly realized they were talking about an animal, but I'd misread it as "moose", and the mental image I had developed on the way to clicking through to the article was thus not accurate.
    • hathym 1307 days ago
      Same here, I guess I need to disconnect a little bit..
      • ooobit2 1307 days ago
        I'm just sad it wasn't a trackpad. I'd have kicked it into the volcano.
    • moron4hire 1307 days ago
      I assumed the animal, but expected the record to be in the category of "size of testicles".
    • wilfredk 1307 days ago
      I think reading the title on HN made me think it was the computer peripheal and not the animal...
    • Timpy 1307 days ago
      I didn't know why a mouse on a volcano would break some kind of record, and as my brain rapid fired possible parses to the sentence it did occur to me that this is a technology board and it could be a computer mouse. Neither one seemed more feasible for world records at face value.
  • zwarag 1307 days ago
    22000 foot are 6705.6 meters.
    • Tempest1981 1307 days ago
      Although beware excessive precision: https://blog.plover.com/physics/precision.html

      Maybe 6700 meters, to match the 2 digits of precision.

      Although from the article: "he encountered another yellow-rumped mouse even higher than previously sighted, atop the very summit of Llullaillaco, at 22,110 feet" -> 6739 meters

      • CydeWeys 1307 days ago
        I feel like this is still an unsolved notational problem. Let's say I want to give you the elevation of Mt Everest in feet to 3 sig figs. I could say 29,000 ft, but that'd be misread as 2 sig figs. So I have to say something like 29010^2 , or 2.9010^4 , to convey the correct information. Or just 2.90e4. Maybe there's nothing better?

        Famously, the original surveyor of Mt Everest calculated 29,000 exactly but lied and added 2 feet to make it 29,002 so that people would understand he meant 5 sig figs, not just 2. That's one way of solving the problem ...

        • BurningFrog 1307 days ago
          It's easy enough to invent a notation, like

              29,0·00
          
          Maybe this new standard notation was born today on HN!
          • drivers99 1307 days ago
            The usual way is a line. It can be faked here with code formatting (4 spaces to force mono font) and underscores:

                ___
                29000
            • CydeWeys 1307 days ago
              It bothers me that this overloads the notation for repeating fractions. I guess there wouldn't be a use case requiring both in a single number, but you can imagine multiple numbers on the same page using this formatting for different purposes and it being confusing.

              And it's fine for writing out by hand or in TeX (I assume), but good luck using it in any other context as we see here! Ideally a notation would be keyboard-friendly, at least for something with as wide an applicability as this anyway.

              But this is certainly a good starting point.

              • a1369209993 1307 days ago
                > multiple numbers on the same page using this formatting for different purposes and it being confusing.

                I think it's unambigous at least: 2̅9̅0̅00 vs 11̅.̅4̅2̅8̅5̅7̅; sigfigs has overline at the start, while repeating has overline at the end.

      • 4cao 1307 days ago
        > "[...] atop the very summit of Llullaillaco, at 22,110 feet" -> 6739 meters

        That's exactly the elevation listed in the Wikipedia article too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llullaillaco

      • nxpnsv 1307 days ago
        As a former physics teacher this reply gave me a warm fuzzy feeling.
      • varispeed 1306 days ago
        If the height is exact 6700, they will usually add some random number, otherwise people wouldn't believe it is 6700...
      • stjohnswarts 1307 days ago
        what he did was fine as it's an exact conversion 1 inch = exactly 2.54 cm and you can go from there.
    • ordu 1307 days ago
      And -75F is -60C. Mind blowing. Even a human would have a problems surviving that. How could survive mouse body having a much bigger surface area to a volume ratio? Heat insulated nests maybe?
      • fctorial 1307 days ago
        > temperatures sometimes plunge below minus 75 degrees Fahrenheit.

        Sometimes. And the mice are usually hibernating during that time.

    • neilsense 1307 days ago
      Good bot
  • ilamont 1307 days ago
    There's a spider in the Himalayas that lives at even higher altitudes, living on rocks warmed by the sun and surviving on gnats and flies that get blown up the mountain from temperate climates.
    • lioeters 1307 days ago
      Curiosity led me to the Himalayan jumping spider:

      > Euophrys omnisuperstes (the species name means "standing above everything"), the Himalayan jumping spider, is a small jumping spider that lives at elevations of up to 6,700 m (22,000 ft) in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, making it a candidate for the highest known permanent resident on Earth. They are found among rocky debris, feeding on tiny, stray springtails and flies.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euophrys_omnisuperstes

    • tumblerz 1307 days ago
      "Insectopedia," by Hugh Raffles contains a chapter on high-altitude, silk-gliding spiders, as well as enthralling musings on other subjects.

      This book is not an encyclopedic take on insects, but is an eccentric, ambagious collection of good writing. My favorite airline book experience.

  • carapace 1307 days ago
    (Aw, I read "Moose" and was so disappointed when I clicked through.)

    As a random tidbit there's also a bizarre tiny pink armadillo that lives up there. It lives in holes and has a plug-shaped rear end. It's one of those critters that, when you see it, makes you go "C'mon Nature, you're putting me on, eh?"

    • ComputerGuru 1307 days ago
      Surely not? The point of the find is that this is the first time a mammal has been found at such an elevation.
      • carapace 1306 days ago
        Sorry, I meant the high mountain desert, not all the way up there where the mouse is.
  • ketamine__ 1307 days ago
    • karaterobot 1307 days ago
      If you give a mouse an MRI, he'll ask for a PET scan.
      • DoofusOfDeath 1307 days ago
        And when you give him an ultrasound, he'll ask for sound-conducting jelly.
      • dragon96 1307 days ago
        But if you give him a PET scan, he won't ask you for a CAT scan.
  • swebs 1307 days ago
    >It’s incredible that anything could live that high, at 20,340 feet—there is no vegetation, and seemingly nothing to eat.

    There's clearly vegetation in the background of the photo.

  • pandler 1307 days ago
    > The work has received funding from the National Geographic Society and the U.S. National Institutes of Health, as better understanding adaptations to high altitude life is “potentially relevant in treating a number of human diseases that relate to... problems with oxygen delivery and oxygen utilization,” he says.

    I often wonder how discoveries like this ultimately manifest into actionable technology. Are they studying cell structure? DNA? What does that process look like?

    > The results could also aid doctors in treating altitude sickness and coping with life at high altitude or elsewhere where there are low levels of oxygen.

    That makes me wonder if the end goal is some kind of pharmaceutical drug.

    Very interesting nonetheless!

    • maxbond 1307 days ago
      I think the reality is that researchers justify themselves to grant writing organizations in whatever way they can but are often just doing science for it's own sake.

      Anecdotally, I watched a talk about how the structure of the ribosome was solved, and the researcher mentioned that they justified themselves to grant writing organizations by saying it would help develop antibiotics - which did turn out to be the case, but they described themselves as feeling amused rather than vindicated.

      I believe it was this talk.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIDCQM3d7I

      • kaonwarb 1307 days ago
        Bingo. While understandable, I fear the need to justify nearly all research by potential foreseeable gain limits our ability to invest in truly fundamental science.
        • bonoboTP 1307 days ago
          Well, researchers have learned to play the game and with enough creativity you can make up potential applications for grant writing purposes.
        • wongarsu 1307 days ago
          Yes, grant-style funding is really bad for basic research. For where larger institutes have the advantage: a few prestigious findings can bring the funding to do a lot of less glamorous stuff on the side.
        • redis_mlc 1307 days ago
          That's already a reality today.

          Try to get a follow-on grant after your previous grant didn't produce positive results.

          Science is both successful and failed experiments, but the latter isn't grant-worthy.

      • MaxBarraclough 1307 days ago
        > often just doing science for its own sake

        Or trying to advance their careers, which isn't the same thing, as it's self-interest without regard for whether science is being meaningfully advanced.

        • nicoburns 1307 days ago
          I mean sure, but people don't generally go into a career in science unless they're genuinely interested in it.
          • bonoboTP 1307 days ago
            You'd be surprised. Some really enjoy the status game and the power dynamics.
          • MaxBarraclough 1307 days ago
            I've read horror stories about toxic careerism in science where real scientific progress is only ever a by-product.
    • ponker 1307 days ago
      It’s almost impossible to predict how any knowledge will be used in the future. What is certain is that if you look at almost anything that exists in modern society, its existence depends on thousands of knowledge morsels, few of which were created with such eventual application in mind. That’s why successful civilizations must invest in knowledge regardless of its apparent practical relevance.
  • cko 1307 days ago
    “These creatures you call mice you see are not quite as they appear, they are merely the protrusions into our dimension of vast, hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings.” ~ Slartibartfast, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
    • zidad 1307 days ago
      I think he was just trying to hitch a ride from a high point before the impending destruction of Earth
      • JdeBP 1306 days ago
        It's an experiment upon humans of course. Be found where no mouse should be; see how humans react on Hacker News. (-:
    • sg47 1307 days ago
      What world record was he breaking?
    • HenryKissinger 1307 days ago
      It's all a conspiracy by the Walt Disney Company.
  • fortran77 1307 days ago
    Not just any mouse, a "yellow-rumped leaf-eared mouse". And he's adorable!
  • mrfusion 1307 days ago
    How does this altitude compare with ground level on mars? Air pressure wise.
  • compressedgas 1307 days ago
    How long was the mouse's tail?
    • codeafin 1307 days ago
      It was wireless
      • ooobit2 1307 days ago
        Bluetooth or USB? I'm hoping they finally installed some USB ports in volcanoes. It's 2020. Should be able to charge my phone everywhere.
        • jfengel 1306 days ago
          I am unreasonably amused the the existence of camp stoves with USB ports:

          https://andrewskurka.com/biolite-campstove-review/

          They're pricey ($150) and heavy (2 pounds, heavy if you're carrying it around all day), making them less than entirely practical. But it tickles me that you can plug your phone into your campfire.

          I don't know if you could pull off the charger and plunk it down on the crust of a lava flow, but it would be worth trying out. Assuming you had $150 to burn (literally).

  • spsrich2 1307 days ago
    In 1927 col walter snetterton disappeared while trying to cross the Andes by frog. Maybe someone tried with mice?
  • burtonator 1307 days ago
    I read it as MOOSE and I was like HOLY CRAP!
  • social_quotient 1307 days ago
    Who moved my cheese?

    Good book

  • sam0x17 1307 days ago
    Oh, an actual mouse, not a computer mouse.
  • spodek 1307 days ago
    Nature's resilience, adaptability, and resourcefulness underscores how much we have to pollute it to cause so many extinctions, deserts, and wastelands. How much beauty do we have to see or lose to change our values from growth at all costs and externalizing costs to enjoying what we have and taking responsibility for how our behavior affects others?
  • chrispeel 1307 days ago
    It seems convenient that the scientists who arranged an expedition to look for mice at high altitude find one higher than any mouse seen before. My skeptical side wonders if the guy who was obviously at the peak before Jay Storz in the video, brought the mouse up, and let it go so that it could be found. Hopefully unrelated researchers who don't use the same guides, etc... are able to also find mice at similarly high altitudes.
    • wtallis 1307 days ago
      That's not skepticism, that's conspiracy theory. The previous record elevation for finding a mouse was on the same mountain. It would be more surprising if the first expedition actually found the elevation limit of these mice, rather than the follow-up expedition that was specifically investigating whether they ranged any higher.