27 comments

  • worldmerge 4 days ago

    They have also made many of the subreddits not viewable via a mobile browser pushing you to the app, it seems though the blocks go in and out of effect. At some point metrics of a sites app downloads don't mean anything when they make their primary site unusable.

    • ozmbie 4 days ago

      I deleted an unofficial Reddit app from my phone, since I found I was wasting too much time on it. I figured for the occasions I wanted access to reddit (mostly from searching for topics on Google), I’d just use the web version.

      But the web UI, combined with Google AMP, made it unusable.

      I’ve gone back to the app but with iOS screen time restrictions.

      • ffpip 4 days ago

        Apollo for Reddit is a great app made by a solo dev!

        https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575

        That is until they become even more greedy and ban third party apps. Probably by the end of next year. The reasons will be 'privacy of users' and 'letting users access reddit via a unified interface'. Or some bs like that

        • sksnskkcahan 4 days ago

          As an ad-supported service, I wouldn’t be surprised if Reddit refuse to serve clients that don’t show ads. On the other hand, I don’t think their API that Apollo is using includes ads. Same deal with third-party Twitter clients. I wonder if their are examples of similar ad-supported services that included ads in the API, and required the developer of the third-party client to implement ad support?

          • blackrock 4 days ago

            Reddit should make an API feature to allow the 3rd party app, the ability to display the ads. Then, Reddit will do profit sharing of each ad shown. This would give the 3rd party app incentive to maintain the app.

            • ecnahc515 3 days ago

              Why would they do that when they could just fully control access with their app and not have to worry about ensuring other clients show ads?

      • ixwt 4 days ago

        I've found you can google the subreddits, and they will show you these subreddits. As long as your referrer is still Google, it seems to be fine.

        • cma 4 days ago

          Shouldn't Google punish this in the results? A fake website that wants search traffic but doesn't want to operate as an actual website...

          • 1over137 4 days ago

            But it's good for google, isn't it? I mean, if ddg can't get me there, but google can, then it makes google better than their competitors (in the one regard).

          • hanniabu 4 days ago

            Because you're viewing it as an amp site. As long as you try to do anything it forwards you to the real site and you're back to square one.

          • koolba 4 days ago

            What’s an example of this?

          • When old.reddit.com dies, it’s over.

            • alasdair_ 4 days ago

              I agree. The new UI is utterly obnoxious on mobile - they keep trying to force me to use the app, including making it impossible to read the rest of a forum without using the app instead. It's horrible.

              • alexmcc81 4 days ago

                If you're on Android, I can't recommend RedReader enough [1] . It's open source and customisation (also installable via F-Droid). I browse with a compact display and thumbnails turned off.

                [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbad...

              • morcheeba 4 days ago

                It's obnoxious on a giant screen, too. I get 10 headlines on the old version, but the new version only shows me one story -- so much scrolling.

                • nvrspyx 4 days ago

                  I prefer the old version too, but have you tried using the classic or compact layout option on the new version? I personally use the classic layout and have been much less frustrated with it.

                  https://imgur.com/a/SBifQIB

                  • The problem is the conversation threads. You can't read them in the new format. They constantly elide them so you have to click on them and it jumps around on the screen.

                    In the old view, I can read a page full of threaded comments on a thread I've clicked into. In the new layout, you get maybe five comments, and a scroll to the next thread. It is awful.

                    • benhurmarcel 3 days ago

                      I don't get what you're mentioning. If you open a thread (in a desktop browser tab), you get the discussions just like before.

                      • effingwewt 3 days ago

                        Not true at all. It'll only show some of the comments others will be hidden until you click on them, making the screen jump around the screen as gp said.

                        old.reddit.com alleviates this but not for much longer I'm sure.

                        Then the lovely firefox will periodically decide not to allow 'trusted site exceptions' disallowing you from visiting old.reddit.com. All in all I find it's too much work most of the time.

              • jeremymcanally 4 days ago

                I agree, hence why I live on https://i.reddit.com on mobile. It lacks some of the features of the new UI, but I don't use those anyhow since I just lurk/read.

                • blck 4 days ago

                  I also find the new UI to be awful on desktop. Just disastrously slow. I hardly use Reddit anymore part of it the community and me just having different priorities but the other part is this new Mobile first mentality. I’ll use old.Reddit.com until they finally kill it.

                  • fgonzag 4 days ago

                    The new version of reddit bogs down FF to where I have to restart if I want to keep scrolling. This is on a TR3960X with 64GB of memory. I haven't checked the resource manager when that happens but I probably should.

                  • spicybright 4 days ago

                    RedditIsFun is a fantastic app with a great dual pane mode. It almost feels like the desktop and having multiple tabs open.

                  • baby 4 days ago

                    I don't understand why they're doing this:

                    1. Why are they forcing me to use their app so much? it's just not practical: for example if I quit the app and come back it doesn't return me to the page I was looking at; worse it often doesn't display comments for me (infinite loading).

                    2. Why is the web redesign so bad? Who are they trying to cater for? There's just so much friction in reading comments from multiple posts now, when I click on a post to read the comments an then outside it scroll back up to the beginning. Why can't I read comments if I'm not signed in?

                    • I prefer old reddit for the same reason as you, I like to read and comment. But I can tell you who they are catering to: People who scroll through subreddits scanning photos. If you go to meme focused subreddit, the new version is pretty good. If you go to a discussion focused subreddit, the old version is better.

                      Try https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/ in an incognito window to see it in the new Reddit, then try it old reddit.

                      • ewindal 4 days ago

                        I fucking hate it. The redesign is actively harmful to the quality of subreddits. It makes the subscribers the ones who dictate the content, not the community members. The vast majority of subs don’t participate in any meaningful way, they just upvote the funny picture in their feed, haha, while the people who frequent the subreddit and dictated most of the content prior to the redesign are completely disenfrachised. I’ve seen a bunch of subreddits go down the shitter because low effort memes and blog posts-like pictures conquered the front page after the redesign.

                      • zests 4 days ago

                        I understand it in the sense that I can conceptualize it. I just have a hard time believing it is really best for business. They determine how much money they make per user and find that signed in users make more money. Signed in users on their mobile app (users inside of their walled garden) make the most money. If they lose a couple users trying to convert everyone to using their mobile app, so be it.

                        Having an account and using their mobile app makes it easier to track you, easier to show you ads and likely worth more per advertisement.

                        • benhurmarcel 3 days ago

                          > There's just so much friction in reading comments from multiple posts now, when I click on a post to read the comments an then outside it scroll back up to the beginning.

                          It's much more bearable if you always open posts in a new tab (I'm talking on desktop; on mobile use a third-party app). You can configure it in the feed settings. Then the view is very similar to old Reddit, and you keep the posts list unchanged.

                          • kylebenzle 4 days ago

                            They are catering to children, literally. I've been using the site for a few years and have noticed more often than not when a set of comments seems especially naive its because I've been talking to teenager.

                            I can't tell you the number of times I thought I was having a meaningful conversation only to find out, after asking, that the user was a kid.

                            • JacobSuperslav 4 days ago

                              it's fair to say that if you thought that you were having a meaningful conversation, that indeed it was a meaningful conversation regardless of their age

                            • Agustus 4 days ago

                              Metrics: It is easy for them to keep track of metrics, including the following:

                              * did someone pause on a post, mark it * time on page, * whatever other crazy metric you can show to advertisers * in-line advertisements

                              Also, the walled garden makes it so you get the endorphin hit of clicking the button and it can algorithmically entice you back with notifications and other engagements.

                            • jmclnx 4 days ago

                              Same for me, and for people using mobile, not for me. Screen to small, and I will not get into spywhere on smart phones.

                              So, if I cannot get to old.reddit, I stop going there, very simple.

                              I am glad hackernews/ycombinator still has what I consider the best WEB/Comment setup I have ever seen.

                              • Old reddit is still superior to hacker news. It was the perfect forum. Now it's a social media laced whale driven place filled with a single viewpoint. To the point that negative comments don't even show up anymore.

                              • tootie 4 days ago

                                https://i.reddit.com has been around for a very long time and hasn't changed at all. It can't play video but you can browse threads and it's lightning fast. Especially without thumbnails.

                                • kayson 4 days ago

                                  This is my goto. It's just so much faster!

                                • netsharc 4 days ago

                                  As someone who spends too much time on reddit, I do hope they do that soon, so that the UX disaster of the new interface discourages me from spending more than 2 minutes per day there..

                                  • nxmnxm99 4 days ago

                                    If you have to force your users into a new UI, it's a shit UI

                                    • sercand 4 days ago

                                      I have started using old interface since yesterday because the new interface is extremely slow on Desktop. I just don’t understand how showing bunch of images can be this slow.

                                      • mariusor 4 days ago

                                        I keep hoping some of the cool communities would be willing to move to ActivityPub based aggregators.

                                      • __jem 4 days ago

                                        Mobile is just the name of the game. I don't get it -- I can't stand browsing the web on mobile versus a laptop -- but when you look at the metrics, it's hard to argue against optimizing for that channel.

                                        • zests 4 days ago

                                          I like using web on mobile, I just want to use the desktop website though. No apps, no mobile version. Just give me the website.

                                          • SOLAR_FIELDS 3 days ago

                                            You would very much enjoy browsing Reddit via i.reddit.com if you haven’t already heard of it. Lightweight, fast, minimalist, web. It’s missing some newer features like chat messaging but it gets the job done quite well otherwise. And it’s ad free!

                                          • leshenka 2 days ago

                                            There is a grocery chain store in my country and since ordering food is kind of hot this year, they started accepting orders and deliver groceries. Via an app. They have an app for this. You can't order anything through their website, you have to use your tiny surveillance rectangle for that.

                                            That's an awful trend.

                                          • someperson 4 days ago

                                            Very good opportunity for a Reddit alternative to come in and dominate. Getting rid of old Reddit would be Digg v4 all over again.

                                            • marcinzm 4 days ago

                                              Reddit does this because they have failed to find a monetization strategy good enough to cover the investment in the business. Any competitor without some new approach will have the same issue.

                                              • baby 4 days ago

                                                I suggest to them two approaches:

                                                1. Status customization. Apps and games based on communities have proved that this business model can bring lots of $$$, the whole idea is to let users customize the way they appear to others in exchange for money. Think "skins". I've heard even discord does it.

                                                2. Competition platform. Trade will always flow if things work well, but how can people trade on your platform? Allow people to produce themes and plugins for communities, and create a marketplace for customizing your own community. Then take a cut.

                                              • tmpz22 4 days ago

                                                Not really. Reddit infrastructure and product development has been subsidized by hundreds of millions in VC funding for almost a decade. At this point they don't even need a good product to stay at the table. Meanwhile to compete you need moderation tools, highly performant and reliable caching infrastructure for media rich content, enough of an ad network the investors believe you can eventually build an ad network, and to sell you soul to investors to buy marketing to keep people around long enough to gain critical mass.

                                                Social Media isn't about innovation anymore. It's about buying a stake and rent seeking. And guess what nobody is going to sell you an acre to get started just because you feel like giving it the college try.

                                                • fiblye 4 days ago

                                                  >subsidized by hundreds of millions in VC funding for almost a decade

                                                  That hasn't stopped any company from total collapse before and it won't now. Other social media sites have people somewhat locked in since it's all about staying in contact with friends and following certain people. You need to push the entire crowd at once to have a good replacement, but those sites still die when they screw up enough. Reddit's a place where people mostly read comments, see some funny pictures or news, and then go about their day. There's a lot less keeping people from dropping it and moving on.

                                                  • neurostimulant 4 days ago

                                                    Or maybe you shouldn't care about those infra stuff for now and just bootstrap it and let the community grow organically. Also, when reddit started more than a decade ago, scaling infra was hard, but in 2020 we have a lot of off-the-shelf tech that allows you to build "web-scale" app relatively easily, but all of that is moot if you can't grow the community, so why bother at this early stage?

                                                    • mynameishere 4 days ago

                                                      I've been on reddit for 14 years (14 years club!) and I can honestly say in that time it hasn't changed in any fundamental way. (It has however changed for the worse in many small ways.)

                                                      I'm sure they put a lot of effort into serving their own images and video and placing ads in just the right place for maximal accidental clickage but why would the user care?

                                                      • unclekev 4 days ago

                                                        14 year club here as well.

                                                        I'd argue that the following are fundamental changes that have impacted the community in a big way:

                                                        - Selling 10% of the business to Tencent/Chinese investors

                                                        - Firing their community managers in 2015 and not replacing them

                                                        - When I first joined Reddit it was more technology focused, now it's all pop culture and memes. Although Tech subs are still plentiful so it can still be that site. (With some effort)

                                                        - Banning any Sub-Reddit's that go against whatever the admins mood is on a particular day, or content that no longer fits with their "We have shareholders and need to keep them happy" mantra. Reddit is absolutely not a place for free speech/uncensored discussions these days. Because of both toxic mods and horrible admins.

                                                        - Huge increase of censorship across the site in Sub-Reddit's, Posts and Comments

                                                        - Users care about the video stuff because Reddit's video hosting is fundamentally broken and hardly works, but they would rather keep it broken because it makes it harder to download videos (DASH)

                                                        - The whole new design is anti-user, the site is just masses of white space, super slow, JS heavy and pretty much unusable outside a third party mobile client. The day old.reddit.com gets shut down will be a sad day.

                                                        None of this stuff was a problem 14 years ago

                                                        Although some of the above comes with the toxicity that tends to come with huge community growth.

                                                        You can argue the above isn't significant, but as someone who's been on the site for 14 years, it sure ain't the same place I signed up for all those years ago.

                                                        • com2kid 4 days ago

                                                          > The whole new design is anti-user, the site is just masses of white space, super slow, JS heavy and pretty much unusable outside a third party mobile client. The day old.reddit.com gets shut down will be a sad day.

                                                          On desktop the new design is much easier to use, it took me awhile to realize, but being able to hit esc and be right back where you were in the story feed is super nice.

                                                          • benhurmarcel 3 days ago

                                                            Also to collapse threads from anywhere; that's very nice to scan through comment threads rapidly. But still it's way too heavy for what it does.

                                                            • hhjinks 3 days ago

                                                              What are you even talking about. All modern browsers will bring you back to the spot you were in when you go back to the previous page, and have for years.

                                                              • com2kid 3 days ago

                                                                Which works questionable well in an infinite scrolling situation.

                                                                Previously you'd get a token in the URL that was some type of state that hopefully let you resume, but it didn't work if you spent too long reading comments and then pressed the back button.

                                                                The new reddit UI solved this problem by simply not having users ever "leave" the home page.

                                                          • millstone 4 days ago

                                                            14 year club high five!

                                                            The default subreddits are as bad as you'd expect, but there's many awesome smaller ones. Pray your niche subreddit never becomes default.

                                                            IMO this is why they keep old reddit around. Some use reddit for bite-sized entertainment; others use it for serious advice and discussion. It makes sense for the site to have two modes.

                                                        • kernel_pancake 3 days ago

                                                          A federated Reddit alternative called Lemmy is looking promising https://github.com/LemmyNet

                                                        • wdr1 4 days ago

                                                          One of my biggest gripe is forcing Reddit to their mobile app, which is filled with bugs. I've had a bot posting a daily Calvin & Hobbes strip for seven years. The comic is posted as a gif, and so many people using the Reddit mobile app have complained, I basically had to write a FAQ for it.

                                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/CalvinBot/comments/bdxb6h/why_are_p...

                                                          It's been over a year & the bug is still there.

                                                          • herogreen 4 days ago

                                                            Even if the app was perfect, I would not use it (less suported platforms, waste space, gathers more data, etc).

                                                          • Lammy 4 days ago

                                                            It would be called "classic" instead of "old" if it wasn't something they actively wanted to kill.

                                                            • arp242 4 days ago

                                                              It was mentioned somewhere it's not going to be killed anytime soon, similar to how i.reddit.com is still working. But it also won't get updates so you may get a "degraded" experience.

                                                              A good example of this is GitHub-style ``` ... ``` codeblocks, which don't work on old.reddit.com, but do in the new UI.

                                                              • Lammy 4 days ago

                                                                Yeah, that's how I imagine it will play out. Eventually there will be so many of those things that don't work on the old site that they will "have to" kill it for our sake :)

                                                                • arp242 3 days ago

                                                                  Loads of things don't work on i.reddit.com, and that's still alive. Past record gives us no hard guarantees for the future, but thus far Reddit's record is pretty good on this.

                                                            • CincinnatiMan 4 days ago

                                                              Are we sure this is intentional and not a recent bug? I feel like I've seen gallery sets before on the old UI.

                                                              • Average_ 4 days ago

                                                                I assume it's a bug. This 1 hour old image gallery is doing fine. https://old.reddit.com/r/dogelore/comments/jylu1t/le_asdf_mo...

                                                                • bilegeek 4 days ago

                                                                  It's worked on and off for me in the past. Most likely, it's a bug; however, they also have a history of A/B testing, so that can't be ruled out.

                                                                  • plorkyeran 4 days ago

                                                                    It was working until a few hours ago. Probably just a bug.

                                                                    • shawnz 4 days ago

                                                                      I am guessing it is just an issue with the custom CSS on this subreddit.

                                                                      EDIT: Nevermind, after investigating the issue does not seem to be the CSS.

                                                                      • Yeah, looks like a bug to me.

                                                                        • ReactiveJelly 4 days ago

                                                                          Bug meaning, they quit caring about the old UI and the bugs are just gonna accumulate

                                                                        • xvilka 4 days ago

                                                                          New Reddit interface is slow as hell for something as simple as text/images discussion board. Compare it with the speed of Hacker News, for example. They are completely incompetent.

                                                                          • contravariant 4 days ago

                                                                            Not so much incompetent but I get the distinct impression that they have way too many developers trying to add features to something that, going by the way old.reddit.com has barely changed, was feature complete about 5 years ago.

                                                                            • benhurmarcel 3 days ago

                                                                              It's true and infuriating, but I find it's similar to many modern tools by very competent companies. Have you tried Google Chat for example?

                                                                            • tumblerz 4 days ago

                                                                              I hate to be seen this nakedly aggro, but reddit is broken ruins.

                                                                              Obligatory cred: first used reddit in...2006? Used it to chat with friends around the world on subjects of mutual interest. It was fun, of course. I've mainly lurked since then.

                                                                              Now? If one sifts through the records there is great info in there, but most subs I want to enjoy are overrun with, how to say, self-congratulatory amateurs. It's neither useful nor entertaining.

                                                                              Even joke subs feel tired and decadent.

                                                                              Meanwhile, mob rule downvoting pervades.

                                                                              It is broken.

                                                                              Good riddance.

                                                                              • mkskm 4 days ago

                                                                                > Good riddance.

                                                                                Is this a good thing? Of all social media, Reddit seems to me like it has the most potential to actually do something positive for society. They’ve seriously been dropping the ball with execution in the past several years but I don’t know that we’d be better off with them disappearing without a better alternative.

                                                                              • js2 4 days ago

                                                                                Facebook also appears to be killing mbasic.facebook.com. It increasingly redirects me to m.facebook.com.

                                                                                • forgotmypw17 4 days ago

                                                                                  Yeah, I noticed that as well.

                                                                                  For now, you can still edit the target URL manually.

                                                                                • LeoPanthera 4 days ago

                                                                                  Their mistake was keeping the old interface around at all. If they had just killed it off we would have complained about it for a while and then just moved on.

                                                                                  • alasdair_ 4 days ago

                                                                                    Killing off the old interface and forcing users to use the new one is the reason Reddit still exists and Digg effectively does not.

                                                                                    • LeoPanthera 4 days ago

                                                                                      I find it impossible to believe that at all. The new Reddit UI is essentially just a reskin. The Digg "redesign" was an entirely new concept that radically changed the purpose of the site. The two aren't comparable at all.

                                                                                      • sergiomattei 4 days ago

                                                                                        Come on, are we really going to get this hyperbolic? The amount of people complaining about the interface is a vocal minority.

                                                                                        • absolutelyrad 4 days ago

                                                                                          A very significant percentage of Reddit browses the old interface (I think 20% or 30%). These people are likely to leave and help create another viable competitor.

                                                                                      • coldcode 4 days ago

                                                                                        IF the old interface is replaced by the horrific one that shows like 5 articles I will never visit again.

                                                                                        • verroq 4 days ago

                                                                                          Maybe we’re just not the target audience for reddit anymore. I’ve spoken to spoken to zoomers who use reddit and their response is that the “new UI” is all they’ve used and they like it because everything is embedded in the same page and scrolls like their twitter/facebook/instagram feed.

                                                                                          • ReactiveJelly 4 days ago

                                                                                            That's probably the case.

                                                                                            I only use Reddit from behind Tor, on desktop, so I open a bunch of tabs to amortize the load time, then read them in sequence and close each one as I read it.

                                                                                            If you have fast Internet and a short attention span, and faith in your web browser's back button, maybe that doesn't make sense.

                                                                                          • benhurmarcel 3 days ago

                                                                                            You can configure the view to "classic" or "compact", and it shows the same number or more posts than the old design.

                                                                                          • nO0b 4 days ago

                                                                                            ask Digg how well that worked out...

                                                                                            • klodolph 4 days ago

                                                                                              Digg was flooded with College Humor posts and XKCD comics before the redesign. For some reason, people think the redesign was the reason why people left.

                                                                                              • novia 4 days ago

                                                                                                Genuine question: What's wrong with XKCD comics?

                                                                                                • ReactiveJelly 4 days ago

                                                                                                  A sign that there's nothing good on the site, just people reposting the same stuff, maybe with text macros.

                                                                                                  There's 3 new comics per week. It's not like you can sustain a whole website on that.

                                                                                                  • hhjinks 3 days ago

                                                                                                    > It's not like you can sustain a whole website on that.

                                                                                                    I don't know, xkcd.com seems to be doing just that.

                                                                                                  • klyrs 4 days ago

                                                                                                    Nothing, but I go to xkcd.com for that. IMO, the only valid use of reposting xkcd is when the thing you're posting is pertinent to the conversation. Like if somebody's among the lucky 10,000 who hasn't heard of nerdsniping until today.

                                                                                              • arp242 4 days ago

                                                                                                Considering the new UI regularly takes up literally takes up 100% of my laptop's CPU, it would mean I would have just stopped using Reddit. Last time I tried it I couldn't even scroll without all sorts of yanking.

                                                                                              • wishinghand 4 days ago

                                                                                                The icon to expand the image flashes for a second, then disappears. This is on desktop too.

                                                                                                • pts_ 4 days ago

                                                                                                  Reddit has a 100 trackers now. Takes so long to open so I come on HN meanwhile.

                                                                                                  • gingericha 4 days ago

                                                                                                    Their video player is probably one of the worst I've experienced. It [1] requires me to hit play twice to get a video to actually play almost 100% of the time. [2] the audio frequently defaults to max, then adjusts to the level I've previously selected. [3] It frequently auto plays if I've scrolled down the feed a ways, and [4] frequently only plays 50% of the video and restarts or locks up.

                                                                                                    • Scaevolus 4 days ago

                                                                                                      Plus it's DASH, so you can't just link to an mp4 file with combined video/audio streams to avoid the interface.

                                                                                                      • userbinator 4 days ago

                                                                                                        I thought playing videos in a browser was a solved problem ever since <video> was introduced, many years ago.

                                                                                                      • Zren 3 days ago

                                                                                                        It could be a bug. It'd better be.

                                                                                                        (14 days ago) https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/jrmclg/gallery_...

                                                                                                        • geuis 4 days ago

                                                                                                          Mmm I don’t think so. Gallery shows up fine. https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/jy14p1/i_combin...

                                                                                                          Note that I have my mobile settings to use the desktop version and I only use the old interface.

                                                                                                          • Zren 3 days ago

                                                                                                            * 2020-11-21T00:35:26+00:00, your link * 2020-11-21T18:43:20+00:00, OP's link

                                                                                                            It's possible there's a bug that rolled out affecting galleries posted after 1AM UTC.

                                                                                                          • zests 4 days ago

                                                                                                            I dislike all things "new web". The websites feel like layers upon layers of Javascript, fancy designs that feel like they are responsible for the decreased responsiveness. Styles delegated to the same CSS frameworks that everyone else uses. The rounded corners.

                                                                                                            Give me plain HTML, minimal CSS, and a template engine any day of the week.

                                                                                                            • buzzerbetrayed 4 days ago

                                                                                                              I want to agree, but don't. Javascript is nice. Leave a comment on HN, then push back to go out to the home page. Wait, you're back at your comment.

                                                                                                              This flow is obviously not ideal, and would be prevented with a little Javascript.

                                                                                                              • edjrage 4 days ago

                                                                                                                > would be prevented with a little Javascript

                                                                                                                ... Or better standards that don't require JavaScript. The jump from "we need seamless navigation" to "let's use a Turing-complete language" makes zero sense.

                                                                                                                • millstone 4 days ago

                                                                                                                  The old web placed HTML and CSS as primary, and used JS for incidental tasks like form validation, or fixing up the back button. The big idea was "graceful degradation": sites were expected to work without JS, at the cost of (say) a server-side error instead of immediate feedback.

                                                                                                                  Modern reddit does not gracefully degrade: it requires JS to click buttons, to load images, to scroll, etc. Old reddit still works well without JS. So does Google for that matter.

                                                                                                                  • 8note 4 days ago

                                                                                                                    The old web was optimized for devices that may or may not be able to run much JavaScript or of they did, it was a patchwork of different APIs from different browsers.

                                                                                                                    The new web caters to advertisers, and rightly assumes that everyone has a browser that follows JavaScript standards.

                                                                                                                  • Pxtl 4 days ago

                                                                                                                    Also, it would be basically impossible to host comment threads on video content if the video reset every time you submitted a comment. By comparison, Twitter's video experience is still awful in that you can't multitask and join the conversation on a video tweet.

                                                                                                                    • ysavir 4 days ago

                                                                                                                      Thankfully, it's not en either/or situation.

                                                                                                                      The principle that site designers need to start abiding by is to not reinvent the browser--there's no need to use JS for routing or single page apps. The browser does that fantastically already. All that's needed of JS is to add asynchronicity to pages that need to update state without interrupting a running service.

                                                                                                                      • edjrage 4 days ago

                                                                                                                        Ever heard of iframes?

                                                                                                                        • buzzerbetrayed 4 days ago

                                                                                                                          I really hope iframes aren’t the “right” way to do just about anything.

                                                                                                                          • Zarel 4 days ago

                                                                                                                            iframes are horrible on the back button and have a number of other UX issues that make them overall much worse than JavaScript.

                                                                                                                        • userbinator 4 days ago

                                                                                                                          I've been using HN without JS ever since I found this site, and it works perfectly fine.

                                                                                                                          • buzzerbetrayed 4 days ago

                                                                                                                            I think you misunderstand me. I’m not saying the site doesn’t work fine without JavaScript. Just that the back button usually takes you to the home page, except when it annoyingly takes you to the “edit comment” page that has already been submitted.

                                                                                                                        • kodah 4 days ago

                                                                                                                          Plain HTMl, minimal CSS, and a template engine aren't quite substitutes for event driven systems that also drive really nice features. On the other hand, I recently was testing my website on Brave and a simple request from my frontend to the backend (which resides in the same container) was rejected as a tracking script even though I know it doesn't do any tracking that I've implemented.

                                                                                                                          I was really hoping WASM might fill this gap, and it still might, but it'll be a while from what I can tell.

                                                                                                                          • ketamine__ 4 days ago

                                                                                                                            That is not going to keep designers employed.

                                                                                                                          • nitrohorse 4 days ago

                                                                                                                            Looks like the old mobile design (https://i.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/jyg1jq/finished_the_b...) redirects to the new Reddit interface for image galleries.

                                                                                                                            • electrotype 4 days ago

                                                                                                                              I knew the Internet when it was fun, AMA.

                                                                                                                              • rmolin88 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                I just use RedReader. An unofficial reddit front end. Its pretty amazing.

                                                                                                                                • fattybob 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                  i've been using it less and less, in fact i only ever go there if some breaking news is about, and today, that is the last thing you can find on reddit! kinda sad considering...

                                                                                                                                  • Is there any viable way to bring back forums? I worry I'm going full "boomer," but damn do I miss the 90's internet.

                                                                                                                                    • techsin101 3 days ago

                                                                                                                                      remember Digg

                                                                                                                                      • anti-shill 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                        plenty of non-paywalled sites to link to...why link to a paywall?

                                                                                                                                        Also, jan morris was an excellent travel writer

                                                                                                                                        • FreeTrade 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                          Member.cash works as a pretty good replacement for reddit. Public platform rather than a private platform too.

                                                                                                                                          • 8note 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                            What government runs it?

                                                                                                                                          • https443 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                            Don't like this? Try a Reddit alternative like https://ruqqus.com/

                                                                                                                                            • edgyquant 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                              Kinda just looks like new Reddit but predominantly right wing in culture. No thanks.

                                                                                                                                              • spicybright 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                                Like Voat. That's where many extremist right wing groups moved to.

                                                                                                                                            • throwawaysea 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                              Between Reddit’s heavy-handed censorship, rampant site wide political biases, their terrible new UI, the dark patterns forcing users to the app, unexplained bans of subreddits, overzealous mods, and deletion of discussions of Reddit alternatives (https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/hib1oj/...), it is time for them to go the way of the dodo.

                                                                                                                                              Here’s a list of alternatives: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/hi97fz/...

                                                                                                                                              • meowster 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                                I click on the top alternative, Parler, and the root page redirects to some advertising page about the site.

                                                                                                                                                Whereas if I go to the root page of reddit, I get content.

                                                                                                                                                I think that's a huge turn off for alot of people.

                                                                                                                                                Show interesting content, and let the product speak for itself.

                                                                                                                                                If you go to Hacker News, you see content, you don't see a page explaining why Hacker News is great.

                                                                                                                                                I just closed the Parler website rather than figure out what hoops I have to jump through to see content and what it's like.

                                                                                                                                                • throwawaysea 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                                  Parler is ranked highly because it was recently popularized on centrist and conservative media as an alternative to Twitter. That rank is misleading - it’s not necessarily the best because it is newer than some of the others, and it isn’t meant to be a direct Reddit alternative as much as a Twitter alternative. Some of the others like Ruqqus or Saidit are more of Reddit’s direct competitors.

                                                                                                                                                • 8note 4 days ago

                                                                                                                                                  https://youtu.be/r3snVCRo_bI

                                                                                                                                                  If you're going to make an X alternative, you have cater to it's core audience. In Reddit's case, it's the power users (folks who post all the content) the moderators, and the commenters.

                                                                                                                                                  If you don't give them stuff Reddit won't, you won't do well. A new platform has to be significantly better for all of those groups or it doesn't have a chance