Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

(smithsonianmag.com)

125 points | by anigbrowl 11 days ago

28 comments

  • rand846633 11 days ago
    Sounds so outlandish, but then this comes to mind how the UK tried to ban raves:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_...

    > Sections 63, 64 & 65 of the Act targeted electronic dance music played at raves. The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act empowered police to stop a rave in the open air when "ten or more people are attending, or where two or more are making preparations for a rave". Section 65 allowed any uniformed constable who believes a person is on their way to a rave within a 5-mile (8.0 km) radius to stop them and direct them away from the area; "non-compliant citizens may be subject to a maximum fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale (£1000)"

    • kelnos 11 days ago
      That's also incredibly dumb, but at least they attempted to criminalize the actual activity they found objectionable. That's at least a rational way to write the law.

      This BPM law is a complete joke, though, through and through. It won't actually accomplish what they (supposedly) want, and will just cause trouble for people.

      And to be completely fair, my own country is/was dumb too: in the 1920s many places in the US tried to ban jazz music, and I believe they used tempo as part of the regulations. I don't know if there were ever any laws around it, but rock'n'roll also experienced backlash from establishment types.

      • insickness 11 days ago
        New York City had laws on the books until 2017 banning dancing in bars that don't have a "caberet license." I remember going out to bars and seeing signs on the wall that said "No dancing." We thought it was a joke until they came up to us and told us to stop dancing. Places could get hefty fines. It took a big activist push to get the law repealed.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Cabaret_Law

        • krrrh 11 days ago
          Vancouver until fairly recently had the same thing. I remember a hostel downtown that had a boisterous bar where one side had the license and one side didn’t for some arcane reason and they had a three foot fence with a swinging door separating the two sides. Hostel stuff still tried to happen, one night I was there and a guy stood up and started playing saxophone and a bunch of people started dancing and the poor staff had to go into panic mode trying to get everyone to stop.
        • dcsan 11 days ago
          I think Tokyo still has the same thing, technically
        • jackcosgrove 11 days ago
          How much did a cabaret license cost?
          • krasin 11 days ago
            It appears that it cost a lot (a not just the money; also time + hassle). I quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Cabaret_Law#Caba...

            >All applicants for a cabaret license had to be fingerprinted; to provide extensive financial records; to meet specific zoning, surveillance, physical security, fire, building, electrical, health, and record keeping requirements; and to pay the fees associated with each compliance.

            >In 2016, the New York City Department of Consumer Affairs claimed there were then 118 cabaret licenses in a city of 25,100 licensed food service establishments.

    • IanCal 11 days ago
      I don't think it really targeted EDM. It just had to have some kind of differentiator in the law about what is a noise and what's music. And

      > “music” includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats.

      Is fairly reasonable.

      It also seems the law mostly relates to being able to stop the rave and remove people rather than making it a criminal offence to do the thing.

      > This section applies to a gathering on land in the open air of [F220] or more persons (whether or not trespassers) at which amplified music is played during the night (with or without intermissions) and is such as, by reason of its loudness and duration and the time at which it is played, is likely to cause serious distress to the inhabitants of the locality; and for this purpose—

      https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/part/V/crosshea...

      Edit - I'm not diving into the depths of this so you are likely be very right in terms of what it's responding to, but I think its important in the framing about what lead to a law and the goal and what it actually says. A law against open air music festivals that cause "distress" may be bad in terms of freedom but it's not as stupid as banning a type of music.

      • kelseyfrog 11 days ago
        This is going to be great for the ambient music festival scene.
    • jameshart 11 days ago
      And of course, the crucial legal definition of a rave as a place where the music consists of "sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats."
      • IanCal 11 days ago
        No, that's the definition of music not a subtype

        > “music” includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats.

        edit - I should soften this. My understanding here is that it's trying to clarify the difference between some sounds and music. Is a person talking into a mic to a group of people covered by this? No. It's specifically about music. This seems like a very basic description of virtually all music to me.

        • klyrs 11 days ago
          Not all music is repetitive. But that which isn't at least a little repetitive (looking at you, free jazz) is rarely considered listenable (or, ahem, musical) by the untrained ear.
    • Intralexical 11 days ago
      Huh.

      Suddenly all those Footloose ads on YTV seem a lot less silly.

      ---

      https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1068242/

      • 082349872349872 11 days ago
        my favourite spinoff of the Footloose franchise is this mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRj0aXOHmo

        "Oh, we got both kinds; we got euro and dance."

        • defrost 11 days ago
          • 082349872349872 11 days ago
            Is it true that at Oz parties you all are "dancing on the ceiling"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8nRmYj3GTQ&t=4000s

            (meanwhile, on the other side of the iron curtain, Александра Овенова gets flowers from someone who thinks she's "first in dance"? https://gorod-812.ru/content/uploads/2020/05/20210307_204836... )

            EDIT: found the original video (set on Maritius?) for Chikadee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGTCMMhfKF0 (in the school scene at ~0:50, the desks are in pairs or triples, as they are in my adoptive country, instead of single, as in the opening scene of "one more time": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4 . How are school desks typically arranged in Oz?)

            • defrost 11 days ago
              In Australia, as often as possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1V33cWLb_M

              In not so Soviet Russia no more, Dance is Number One mind control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMYBfF7-hE

              • 082349872349872 11 days ago
                Worth waiting for the drop on Stairway! But what is Denton playing just after, ca. 2:40? Didgeridoo? Chapman stick variant? Something else?

                The hypnodancers got away that time, but if they ever did get nicked, "it'll all (in not so russian Ukraine) be OK": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Am5AEPHd6k

                • defrost 11 days ago
                  You got me re: Denton - it's not a broomstick or commonplace air guitar physical cheat, bit long for a clap stick, bit red for a vacuum cleaner pipe ... it's quite likely something he found down a city street.

                  Heh. Those degenerate drag acts are probably why Putin Puts out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-wFKNy0MZQ

                  • 082349872349872 11 days ago
                    The tradition of New Slovenian Art is alive and well!

                    No official residence is worthy of the name until it's had a pony ridden through a roofed area: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2EBH0MF/president-kennedy-with-car... (bonus points if saloon doors are involved)

                    > He was used to messes, and men’s bedrooms, and places where ponies are not usually encouraged, and in his youth had jumped on and off a mess-table for a bet. So he behaved himself very politely, and ate bread dipped in salt, and was petted all round the table, moving gingerly; and they drank his health, because he had done more to win the Cup than any man or horse on the ground. —JRK

                    • defrost 10 days ago
                      It wasn't until I was 18 that I first rode a horse into a hotel in Gippsland, I've always been law abiding and didn't want to get carded and tossed out.

                      Ponies in roofed areas are surprisingly common: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYjB2L6G9fE

                      Charging with bayonets across four miles of open ground to jump machine gun nests is less common, so there's one for the day (April 25th): https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-charge-of-the-4th-l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9kN6AHX37E

                      • 082349872349872 10 days ago
                        Wow, you all really do ride in "australian stock saddles" (interesting to see some had horns; have ropes been taking over from whips?) Sorry about the gall; normally the string girths are very good against that sort of thing.

                        (it also struck me how often "proud" came up: my wife asks me "why do americans always have to be proud of things?" when she's watching TV, but maybe it's not just us seppos, but more a general anglophone thing?)

                        Back to the Ottomans: (could've been much worse, could have been the Dardanelles and Gallipoli?)

                        2 days stiff march to get told the only water is behind enemy lines is, I guess, a form of motivation. At least it's a little more creative than burning the bridges behind you?

                        And the turks knew the 4th was there, too, if they were already shelling and sending aeroplanes. I'm guessing the only reason this could possibly have worked is because the turks had expected they'd fight as dragoons, dismounted? (I had heard of this charge before, but not the detail that they were using bayonets as makeshift sabres. The only bayonets I've seen from that period are much smaller than sabres, more kindjal sized)

                        > the last 200 yards or so was good going and those horses put on pace and next were jumping the trenches with the Turks underneath

                        That's maybe a bit under 15 seconds — which sounds like a long time to be in the open charging repeating rifles, let alone emplaced MGs. Yikes.

                        As to Totilas, my wife is a fan; it's a shame they broke that pair up. A very lucrative shame, but a shame nonetheless.

                        (I myself barracked for Fuego at the time. Lusitanian and hispanic horsemanship owes a lot to the moorish influence [hmm... might moor be cognate to italian "morena"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRDZjj7-tOk ] and therefore they do a lot more to put a handle on a horse [what Kipling —another admirer of Walers— would call being bridle-wise] and aim for a bit more spirited stock than in the "doma clasica")

                        In other news I was trying to figure out how to rejigger "American Pie" for Down Under and I think I have the chorus:

                          So, bye-bye, Miss Straya-an Pie
                          Drove my Holden to the station, but the station was dry
                          And them battler blokes were drinkin', swatting the flies
                          Singin', "This'll be the day that I die
                          This'll be the day that I die"
                        
                        but the verses are a bit of a slog, eg:

                          I was a lonely teenage outlaw beaut
                          With a pink corella and a tradie ute
                          But I knew I was ??? ??? ???
                          The day the music died
                        
                        EDIT: just checked the The Lighthorsemen (1987) scene. They have the bayonet detail; I don't know how accurate the rest is but unlike the real time of Star Wars IV, it seems too extended: final charge as depicted is started over 1km from the trenches and they had already picked up pace 3:20 away (another 1,5km?).

                        EDIT 2: according to the map they assembled (at 16.30) 1,6km from the trenches and according to the text departed after 17.00 with 400 m to the ridge, so the real charge would've been 900m at pace and 300m flat out; I guess that to be about 1:10 to the trenches, not the 4:30 of the movie.

                        • motohagiography 9 days ago
                          > Lusitanian and hispanic horsemanship owes a lot to the moorish influence..., and therefore they do a lot more to put a handle on a horse

                          This is arguable, as one of the earliest surviving records of horsemanship in Portugal was by Dom Duarte, a king who reigned briefly around 1280. His influeces are directly from Xenophon ("nothing forced is beautiful," etc). For the prior millennia, horsemanship had spread westward and then southward from the mongols. Islam had fantastic influence on architecture, math, language, music, and all aspects of culture, but horses were something more received for them. It has also not persisted, as outside buzkashi played by arabs and throughout central asia, their horse culture has not evolved. Especially not since the renaissance when the italian, and then french, and spanish high schools developed.

                          If horsemanship were indeed their advantage, the kingdom of Jerusalem could not have been established either. It's fashionable to say europe was uncivilized but for its invaders, but its horsemanship predates islamic invasions.

                          • 082349872349872 9 days ago
                            I'll have to get a hold of a copy of Bennett, Conquerors: Roots of New World Horsemanship by Dr. Deb Bennett to check her arguments that Persian horsemanship[0] went both north around the Med (via Xenophon) and south (via the north Africans).

                            Certainly the Byerley Turk (1680s), the Darley Arabian (1704), and the Godolphin Arabian (1729) are some post-renaissance contributions to one[1] of my favourite breeds.

                            Lagniappe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_the_Great#Accession

                            Top dressing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfiTTyi2He8 (if my indoor were this small, I guess my stock would have to learn how to back out of the corners too?)

                            [0] steppe riding yields the jineta seat, but not the brida seat (which would have been useful for cataphracts?)

                            [1] pedantically: three, as I prefer racing quarters, etc.

                            • motohagiography 8 days ago
                              Whether the moors included pre-Hellenistic Persians would be the crux of this statement, as typically that refers specifically to Islamic invaders almost a thousand years later whose architecture and culture influenced Iberian penninsula, and not to the whole African continent.

                              Breeding and horsemanship were also separate, as the modern school that survives today came via Grisone, Pignatelli, de Pluvinel, and eventually l'Hotte & Baucher, with not a lot of written innovation since. These are all european. However, to dresser means to be arranged and fit for a purpose, and arabian stock are used for arabian purposes. (https://youtu.be/D89RO-5oSeM?feature=shared) Personally, I prefer to ride.

                              • 082349872349872 8 days ago
                                True, but it's evening here so I'm done riding for the day.

                                What sort of riding do you do? My three main interests are (a) will the horse crowd other stock under pressure, (b) how quickly can it roll back*, and only then (c) top speed.

                                I am not saying moors included persians; I am saying Bennett's hypothesis was that the vaquero style of riding in california came via spain, the moors, and the arabs, from persia (and maybe they got it from Kikkuli?). Naturally anything that passed along the south of the Med would also have travelled along the north as well.

                                What you are calling arabian purposes in that video is called a "halter class" for any breed; you can even find halter QHs which bear the same resemblance to working cow horses that show dogs have to working dogs.

                                Romans typically used mercenary cavalry, of which some were north african: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_cavalry#Allied_cavalry

                                see also https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_parure_des_cavaliers_et_l%2... ; I don't read arabic so I'm much more familiar with the authors you mentioned (in particular Pluvinel, de La Guérinière, and some englishman in exile whose name I forget; Baucher I find worthless: he himself was obviously talented, but he never developed a method, as none of his students reproduced his results) than with any of the arabic literature, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furusiyya .

                                Consider that if the iberian cavalry had been superior to moorish cavalry, the Reconquista would not have taken ~750 years.

                                If you want I'll try to dig up the reference, but one of Napoleon's cavalry generals during the Egypt campaign said something like "3 of them can take 10 of us, but 100 vs 100 is an even match, and 300 of us can take 1'000 of them", so I think he admired their individual horsemanship, while acknowledging the advantage of european unit discipline in larger formations. The french would later get outdone at this by the prussians, who took minimal trooper skill, maximal unit effectiveness to its logical conclusion in the Franco-Prussian War.

                                Maybe something we can agree upon is that lusitanian/iberian riding has some unique features (from wherever they arose) because of the nature of extensive, pastoral, cattle herding?

                                Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sOWLl6kVw&t=250s (note his reins)

                                * > "By the Blue Gums of the Back Blocks," snorted the troop-horse, "do you mean to say that you aren't taught to be bridle-wise in your business? How can you do anything, unless you can spin round at once when the rein is pressed on your neck? It means life or death to your man, and of course that's life and death to you. Get round with your hind legs under you the instant you feel the rein on your neck. If you haven't room to swing round, rear up a little and come round on your hind legs. That's being bridle-wise."

                                • motohagiography 1 hour ago
                                  the riding i do is mainly portuguese, working equitation and related classical stuff. Iberian horsemanship is formed and preserved in mounted bullfighting, which itself is ancient. The riding is the art in a ritual that dignifies the nature of the animal and the participants. Lisbon is older than Rome, they say, and this is why I'd say european horsemandship via bullfighting does not have an islamic origin. There are apparently references to fighting aurochs and the ritual of the corrida is so old the hebrew aleph symbol is apparently a reference to them, it's a deep history.
                        • 082349872349872 9 days ago
                          • 082349872349872 9 days ago
                            Just watched the original movie, I guess the video I had timed was recut to go with the 2 Steps From Hell audio. In the original movie, it takes them 9:15 to cover 1200m (<8 kmh, a fast human jog!) and there's a turk calling out distances that have no relation to either the map from your article or to what horses are physically capable of.
    • alisonatwork 11 days ago
      There was an excellent article about this over the weekend: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/apr/20/we-went-from...
    • hindsightbias 11 days ago
      Amateurs, ‘Merica fixed this problem two decades back:

      https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-bill/263...

      • Tostino 11 days ago
        They just can't help them selves with the backronyms can they?! Politicians and the US military must spend a significant proportion of their time coming up with clever names.
        • FredPret 11 days ago
          Clever names seem like a waste of time but it’s one of the best things you can do if you want an idea to spread
      • thiago_fm 11 days ago
        Sponsor was Biden? Interesting.
        • evanelias 11 days ago
          Yes, despite his state (Delaware) not even really having a rave scene. He was widely despised among politically-minded folks in the electronic music scene.

          Biden sponsored the "RAVE Act" as part of his long-term focus on writing extreme "war on drugs" legislation. He previously also wrote the legislation that created the Federal drug czar position, and he was chairman of the Senate Drug Caucus. When it came to drug laws, he was to the right of Reagan and George HW Bush, criticizing them for not being tough enough on drugs.

      • FredPret 11 days ago
        > “Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act”

        > “ sponsor: Sen. Biden, Joseph R., Jr.%”

    • dzhiurgis 11 days ago
      Also:

      > legalised anal sex between heterosexual couples

      1994 was a wild year for UK

  • bee_rider 11 days ago
    > As the independent Russian news website Meduza notes, Russia’s national anthem—which is 76 beats per minute—falls outside the culture ministry’s range

    That seems like a bizarre oversight, I wonder how they’ll deal with it. I guess there will have to be some exception process.

    • kelnos 11 days ago
      Apparently Chechnya's own anthem is also slower. As was the music backing the video of the announcement of this new policy that was posted to Telegram.

      If this wasn't so mind-bogglingly stupid, it would be funny.

    • Intralexical 11 days ago
      If the ban were serious, I imagine that would be a problem if they had any intention of enforcing it consistently.

      (As it is, the ban may be misrepresented. See the link posted by "ein0p".)

    • sneak 11 days ago
      Laws are never enforced universally or consistently and without bias even in so-called “free” and “liberal” and “secular” countries.

      Prosecutorial discretion is one of the most critical and important ways that the oligarchy punishes those who would oppose them, in any country.

      “For my friends, anything. For my enemies, the law.”

    • foverzar 8 days ago
      It's bizarre because it's not a real thing. Meduza has extremely low factuality and often posts insane and literally impossible stories.
    • jagged-chisel 11 days ago
      You double the BPM, and double the length of each note. Done.
    • cjbgkagh 11 days ago
      Maybe speed it up slightly
      • GJim 11 days ago
        Play it at 78 rpm?
    • ein0p 11 days ago
      That’s because the news is bullshit. It’s apparently not a ban for all music, it’s a recommendation for _Chechen_ music from their ministry of culture.
      • viraptor 11 days ago
        Have you got a source for that interpretation? The announcement this article references does not support it.
        • ein0p 11 days ago
          This seemed so obviously fake that I went and checked the primary sources: https://tass-ru.translate.goog/obschestvo/20533041/amp?_x_tr...
          • viraptor 11 days ago
            It's interesting, but I don't think it really confirms either interpretation. This link is about what Kadyrov says about the announcement. Not the announcement/rule itself.

            One click further leads to https://tass-ru.translate.goog/kultura/20461139?_x_tr_sl=ru&...

            > "He announced the final decision, agreed with the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Akhmatovich Kadyrov, that from now on all musical, vocal and choreographic works must correspond to a tempo of 80 to 116 beats per minute,” he wrote on his page on social networks.

            But again, it's all about commentary on something I can't find the actual primary source for.

            • ein0p 11 days ago
              Kadyrov is the “primariest” source imaginable, since he basically runs Chechnya. If he says it’s for Chechen music only, that’s how it’s going to be. Seems like it was misinterpreted by Russian press first, and then uncritically picked up by the Western media.
              • 082349872349872 11 days ago
                That's funny, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39993936 we came to the conclusion that it would not apply to Chechen music (specifically Lezginka, which I tend to clock at 120+)...

                Then again, the probable real conclusion here is: if you're on Kadyrov's bad side, better to never be in proximity to both boom boxes and high windows.

                (for our US readers: Kadyrov is what Erik Prince wishes he were)

                • 082349872349872 11 days ago
                  Just occurred to me: I don't think legislatures spend their times snarking each other, but we are in the post-Twitter age, so...

                  What about Chechnya banning music at specific BPMs as a sarcastic reply (intentional or not) to the US banning social media under specific ownership?

      • kelnos 11 days ago
        A big problem with that is that there's Chechen music -- like, actual Chechen folk music, not Chechen-composed music that (o noes!) succumbed to Western influences -- that's outside the range.

        Even if this is just a "recommendation" and not an outright ban, this is still incredibly dumb.

  • kzrdude 11 days ago
    Adam Neely's commentary video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q811R6YsM0s also gives some context and funny explanations of why the ban doesn't make sense.
  • ARandomerDude 11 days ago
    This seems trivially easy to circumvent. For example, take your 3/4 song that's 160 bpm and call it a 6/8 song that's 80 bpm. Done.
    • ceejayoz 11 days ago
      Playing “rules lawyer” with people who routinely respond to challenges with “summary execution” tends to end badly.
      • drowsspa 11 days ago
        "Law is code" strikes again! It's not even playing "rules lawyer"; it's pretending that computers, not humans, interpret the law.
        • kayodelycaon 11 days ago
          A good lawyer knows the law. A great lawyer knows the judge.

          For those that aren’t familiar with courts, people who make an effort to piss off the judge are setting themselves up for a bad time.

        • ofslidingfeet 11 days ago
          If a formal system isn't consistent, then it shouldn't work.
          • ceejayoz 11 days ago
            If a legal system doesn’t have some flex, it doesn’t work.
            • ofslidingfeet 11 days ago
              I have to say, I'm just struck with astonishment to encounter a truism about "flexible government" as a defense of autocratic despotism.
              • ceejayoz 11 days ago
                That’s… a very odd reading of the above.

                Legal systems are unfair if they’re too flexible. They’re also unfair if they’re too inflexible. Autocrats tend to use both extremes to their advantage; all flex for them, no flex for you.

                One day ago you (flagged) commented “I hope [Trump] holds a military tribunal for every single person in the FBI”, so I’m not sure how genuine your astonishment is.

                • ofslidingfeet 7 days ago
                  You forgot to quote the part where I said the FBI won't stop blatantly interfering with elections.
          • sneak 11 days ago
            No legal system ever in history meets the criteria for the definition of “formal system” that you seem to be using.
            • ofslidingfeet 11 days ago
              I'm sure their attempt to ban music with a given nominal feature will be a total success with no complications then.

              If the government can't make coherent laws, that is the government's problem.

              • jagged-chisel 11 days ago
                It’s the citizens’ problem until enough of them can make it the government’s problem.
                • ofslidingfeet 11 days ago
                  Laws are tautologically in the domain of government.

                  edit: If the torture is unlawful, then the government is illegitimate. I'm not saying life doesn't suck; I'm just saying no actually citizens should not tolerate unjust laws just because making just laws is ~too hard~.

                  (I had to add this reply in an edit because this garbage ass gestapo run website is throttling my reply rate.)

                  • defrost 11 days ago
                    There's rarely tort relief for torture, even less so in Russia repblics.

                    If Ramzan Kadyrov is properly serious about this declaration then it'll firmly remain a citizen's problem until the next great leap { forward | backward | sideways | down }.

    • well_actulily 11 days ago
      Believe it or not, jail.
      • pthreads 11 days ago
        Undercook, overcook.
    • qq66 11 days ago
      One does not just "circumvent" Ramzan Kadyrov
    • dylan604 11 days ago
      just play your 45s at 33 1/3
      • dzhiurgis 11 days ago
        which was a style at the time
    • jancsika 11 days ago
      Those aren't equivalent, though.

      In 3/4 it's a given that the quarter note is the part that gets represented by the word "beat." That's 160bpm, so an eighth-note would be 320bpm.

      In 6/8, the dotted quarter note is what gets represented as the "beat" because in 6/8 the meter divides into two halves of 3 eighth-notes each. So if you want to set each eighth-note in 6/8 to go by at 320bpm, a duration equal to three eighth-notes (a.k.a. a dotted half-note, or the "beat" in 6/8) is going to be about 107bpm.

      Edit: tldr; if you set the tempo in 6/8 by referring to a quarter note, it will be suspicious and the beat police will bring you in for questioning.

      • marky1991 11 days ago
        I was always taught that in 6/8 time, there's 6 beats per measure and a beat is an eighth note, hence 6/8.
        • jancsika 11 days ago
          You have two important metric groups in nearly every piece ever written in 6/8:

          1. The full measure divided into 6 eighth-notes, as you point out

          2. Those six eighth-notes divided into two groups, each containing three eighth-notes

          Musicians end up counting it something like this: "ONE two three TWO two three," with a primary emphasis on "ONE" and an ancillary emphasis on "TWO." These two accents are sometimes called the "big beats," or are notated as dotted quarter-notes both in the score and in the tempo marking. The accent pattern can also be described as "feeling it in two," meaning that the player picks a tempo suitable to make the big beats clear to the listener.

          While there are some slower 6/8 pieces where the tempo marking might be specified with an eighth-note, the piece is still notated using dotted quarter-notes to mark the "big beats," and (aside from some temporary syncopations) the players still divide up the measures into two big groups.

          It is counted and notated this way because-- ignoring temporary syncopations-- music written in 6/8 predominantly obeys those metric groups.

          In other words, if you try to speak the eighth-note tempo in 6/8 doing, "ONE and TWO and THREE and," you will be going against the grain of the music. E.g., you'll be speaking that rhythm while the bass pattern might be articulating bass notes on eighth-note #1 and #4, and/or the melody follows a pattern in groups of three eighth-notes, and/or the middle-range accompanimental chords play on eighth-note #2, #3, #5, and #6, and so on...

    • xanderlewis 11 days ago
      Yeah. In general, you can take any song at n npm and regard it (if you want to be slightly perverse) as being at n*2^m bpm where m is any integer. For example, dubstep is often regarded as being 140bpm (or thereabout), but a single bar is actually stretched out into two so that the two and four fall on the four and eight of a eight-beat phrase… which makes it more like 70bpm.

      But I don’t think this kind of thing will get you off the hook in Chechnya.

  • RajT88 11 days ago
    This would make an amazing episode of Metalocalypse.

    Where they show up to put on a show, and blast the audience with 200bpm death metal.

    The front row catches fire. All clergy and politicians in a 30 mile radius have their heads explode.

  • ChrisArchitect 11 days ago
  • genman 11 days ago
    To be precise - not Chechnya but Russian Republic of Chechnya under Russian puppet control. There was a moment after collapse of USSR when Chechnya was de facto independent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#Chechen_Wars_and_brie...
    • foverzar 8 days ago
      ...until hastily degenerated into an ISIS-like stare and invaded Dagestan, lol.
      • genman 5 days ago
        They were not blessed with great leaders after their president Dudayev was killed and didn't have full control over previously supporting commanders who got their own ideas and if we are to believe the murdered journalist Anna Politkovskaya then it was a Russian conspiracy to start the Second Chechen War. This didn't play out any good for anybody but the main conspirator.
  • dbcurtis 11 days ago
    No more adagios!! My kid would have loved that during violin lesson days. Kid, talking about a Handel sonata: "This is my favorite adagio movement." Teacher: "Why?" Kid: "It's only 5 measures long."
  • kelnos 11 days ago
    I sometimes think about the idea that different countries/cultures have different levels of what I might call "social development" (as opposed to industrial or technological development).

    A country or culture that is tolerant (or just actively does not care about) most aspects of social interaction would rate higher on the scale. If I look back into the history of my own country, I can identify areas where the US has made improvements in social development. Parts of the US attempted to ban jazz around 100 years ago. Later in the 1900s there was pearl-clutching around rock'n'roll as being somehow evil. Changing attitudes toward sex (especially around pre-marital sex, and around how sexual promiscuity is judged differently between men and women) are another measure.

    Then there are the things with a strong legal component: the past legality of slavery (and the explicit belief that certain races of people were less "people" than others), denying certain groups at various times access to the ballot box (non-landowners, women, many non-white races). Ballot access is still an issue, even if everyone is theoretically allowed to vote (well, aside from some types of convicted felons, depending on jurisdiction, which is yet another injustice). Then we have discrimination against LGBT folks, including the fact that legal marriage for gay and lesbian couples wasn't universally recognized here until fairly recently.

    Some of it is legal, some of it is social/cultural, though of course people's social and cultural attitudes tend to shape law.

    So, to me, this ban from Chechnya is just an example of their country/culture being not as far along on the social development scale.

  • Arteiii 11 days ago
    Not the first time... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46584554

    I think Fantano has a pretty good vid that pretty much covers everything related to this. https://youtu.be/RvjDlaHLDWo?si=S4ux5J1ifPtMCVJ-

  • ZhadruOmjar 11 days ago
    Whatever new genre of music comes out of this will be lit. Can't wait to be dancing to "Chechen Low BPM DnB" in 20 years.
    • xanderlewis 11 days ago
      Maybe they’ll all be listening to the ‘… slowed+reverb’ stuff that seems to be popular now.
  • userbinator 11 days ago
    I am doubtful such bans will have much of an effect on the population, given that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat#Contraband_audio was common in the area.
  • ChrisMarshallNY 11 days ago
    I guess it could be worse.

    I'm pretty sure that the Taliban ban all music; regardless of the tempo.

    They tend to be rather ... strident ... in enforcing their rules.

    • 082349872349872 11 days ago
      Taliban and Kadyrov are both Sunni, for what it's worth.

      I believe even under the Taliban it's permissible to sing about shtupping girls, as long as you're poetic enough that it can superficially be understood as longing for oneness with god. (or was that the other way around?)

      Tajikistan gets portrayed as very islamist in the US press, but when I look at vids like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_Blkn_zfs I have to say that the female singer (a) has uncovered hair, and (b) is singing outside ... in contrast to farsi singers covering the same tune.

    • SuperNinKenDo 11 days ago
      Not exactly true, but yes, their ideas around permissible forms of music are incredibly restrictive.
  • RickJWagner 11 days ago
    According to the internet, Jozin z Bazin is usually done at 112 bpm. It fits the range, that's the important part.
  • NotYourLawyer 11 days ago
    Sounds like something out of North Korea. Wild.
    • foverzar 8 days ago
      These kind of news are typically fake twisted misrepresentations living off obscurity of the subject.
  • Kye 11 days ago
    I guess that rules out DnB and happy hardcore.
  • mistyvales 11 days ago
    Sounds like Autechre Anti EP is back, baby!
  • ginkgotree 11 days ago
    Well, defense lawyers will love this one
  • persedes 11 days ago
    Anti ep 2?
  • tech_ken 11 days ago
    "What officer?? No way, this isn't gabber! It's simply an electronic composition at a nice, legal, 80 BPM where the bass and rhythm sections are in 4/8 to achieve a thrilling allegro feel."
  • andoando 11 days ago
    That's a lot of classical music lol
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  • AlbertCory 11 days ago
    Back to Bach, I say.

    Outlaw the flat 5th and flat 7th, too /s

    None of that American "Jazz Music" allowed here.

    • MusicGuy132 11 days ago
      Intervals are not flat or sharp. They are minor, major, perfect, etc. A 5th is a perfect interval. An inverted minor interval is a major interval. An inverted perfect interval is another perfect interval.
    • dbcurtis 11 days ago
      But.... outlawing flatted 7th means no more mixolydian mode, so Appalachian and Cajun fiddlers will want to have words with you...
    • xanderlewis 11 days ago
      Tritones and ii-V-Is are even worse in their capitalist imperialistic decadence.
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